Setting up a SDIRA or Roth SDIRA the right way!

Setting up a SDIRA or Roth SDIRA the right way!

Investor · Austin, TX · Member since 2022 · 68 posts · 52 votes

I have some questions/clarifications needed around setting up my SDIRA for the purpose of investing in Real Estate (Residential).

Current age: 31
Planned retirement age: 60
Current tax bracket: 25%

1. I'm planning to rollover the funds from my previous employer's 401(K) (which is currently invested in some target date funds) to a self-directed IRA once I find a good custodian to do so. I'm assuming this rollover does not trigger a tax event?

2. I'm in the 25% tax bracket now, and I have close to $110,000 in the 401(k) of my previous employer. Do you all think it would be okay to pay the 25% taxes now, and put the remaining ~$75,000 into a Roth SDIRA, so that the earnings go tax free? And, if I wish to liquidate the properties when I'm around 60ish, I don't pay the taxes?

3. The funds inside of the SDIRA must be used to purchase real estate as a whole meaning it should not have any mortgage. I don't think I can do a complete BRRR with $100,000 within my SDIRA, or may be $75,000 within a Roth SDIRA. So I might need little more money from the outside, may be for the rehab. Do you all think this needs to be and should be a non-recourse loan? Do HML or PML do that? Provide a non-recourse rehab loans for properties owned under an SDIRA?

4. Assume the house is $100,000. $60,000 came from within my SDIRA, and $40,000 comes from outside (non-recourse financing). Now, I need to pay UBIT on this $40,000. And, also, I need to pay taxes on this part of the profits. Say, rent is $1000, 60% (or $600) is not taxable, and 40% ($400) is taxable? And, can I write off depreciation, repairs, marketing, travel, and other expenses against this 40% and minimize the taxes?

5. Liquidation: If I were to start taking distribution or would like to liquidate the property when I'm 60, does a SDIRA make sense? or, Roth SDIRA?
(basically, is it worth to pay taxes now for $25,000) to have a good growth. 

Thanks in advance. 

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Chris SeveneyBusiness Member
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Investor · VA · Member since 2015 · 21k+ posts · 19k+ votes
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@Akshay Bhaskaran

At 31 I would pay taxes now especially if you think you will grow into a higher tax bracket

Also where do you think tax brackets will be in 30 years… the way the us soends money there is no way taxes will be going down.

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  • Chris SeveneyBusiness Member
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    Investor · VA · Member since 2015 · 21k+ posts · 19k+ votes
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    @Akshay Bhaskaran

    At 31 I would pay taxes now especially if you think you will grow into a higher tax bracket

    Also where do you think tax brackets will be in 30 years… the way the us soends money there is no way taxes will be going down.

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  • Solo 401k Expert · Anaheim Hills, CA · Member since 2012 · 18k+ posts · 6k+ votes
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    @Akshay Bhaskaran,

    1. Direct rollover from 401k to IRA is not taxable.

    2. If you convert $110K to Roth, that will add $110K to your taxable income, so your tax bracket will likely increase. You have to pay taxes from outside of the IRA. If you decide to take early distribution from your IRA to pay the taxes - you will be penalized and taxed. Qualified distributions from Roth IRA are tax-free.

    3. You don't have to pay cash and can finance investment property in an IRA, but you must use non-recourse financing. Here is a list of lenders specializing in this type of financing:

    https://www.biggerpockets.com/member-blogs/2810/50272-list-o...

    4. You pay UBIT on the income that is derived from the financed portion of the property after you subtract the percentage of all the expenses. 

    5. If you believe that you can get a better return on your money by self-directing in real estate compared to the stock market - then SD IRA (Traditional or Roth is regardless) does make sense.

  • Investor · Hillsboro, OR · Member since 2016 · 310 posts · 153 votes
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    Akshay: I own property in a self directed roth.  msg me if you have questions.

    Do you have a good tax planner?  Not somebody that prepares your returns.  You need an experienced accountant that will strategize with you. 

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