Blind Pool vs Real Estate Syndicate. What's the difference?

Blind Pool vs Real Estate Syndicate. What's the difference?

Realtor · Shreveport, LA · Member since 2015 · 79 posts · 23 votes

Okay so the more I look at the two options the more they start to seem more and more similar. in both situations Investors are giving their money to a central figure (Operator/Sponsors) who goes and invests in real estate with that money.

However, for some reason a Real Estate Syndication is required to register with the SEC and a company with a Blind Pool is not? What's up with that?

Why are syndicated deals required to be considered securities and blind pools are not.

And how can I go about starting a Blind Pool Investment company that isn't mistook for a Unregistered Real Estate Syndication?

I appreciate any feedback that any of you here can offer me.

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Rental Property Investor · Honolulu, HAWAII (HI) · Member since 2011 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes
8y
Joshua Manning there are two types of syndications. 1) single asset - one/few properties - easy to underwrite and a lot of transparency - think single malt whisky 2) blind pool - pretty much a free pass for the sponsor to do whatever - most times this is where most of the scams are found since it’s hard for a LP to audit what’s going on. Think blended whisky. Sometimes it’s better diversification. I personally like single malt whisky I mean single asset LLC because I can analyze that particular apartment building and know what I am investing in.
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  • Investor · Pleasanton, CA · Member since 2015 · 28 posts · 11 votes
    8y

    This would require an official response from a SEC attorney, but here are my 2 cents

    I believe you are comparing apples to oranges. A real estate syndicate is basically a person or group that puts together a deal from acquisition, raising capital, property & asset management, securing debt & final disposition.

    A blind pool is a method of raising funds, where in you are not raising funds for a specific project but rather raise funds based on a specific set of criteria of acquisition criteria, i.e. multifamily, storage, office, etc and other factors like geography, risk profile, etc. & then would invest in multiple real estate syndicates that fits the aforementioned criteria. Blind pools are still very heavily controlled by SEC regulations

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  • Syndicator and Fund Manager · Victor, NY · Member since 2012 · 760 posts · 345 votes
    8y
    Real estate syndications can either be for specified one off deals, or can be pooled assets in a fund. The fund assets can be fully, partially or unidentified. All are securities and require a securities lawyer to draft documents under specific SEC exemption guidelines.
  • Professional · Murrieta, CA · Member since 2013 · 405 posts · 458 votes
    8y

    @Joshua Manning

    If a security is being sold, proper documentation is required. 

    The test is: 

    1. Investment of money

    2. More than one investor

    3. Investors expect their money to be return along with a "profit" or "return" on their money

    4. Someone else is doing all the work (presumably the person/entity selling the securities).

    If the opportunity passes the test, then all proper documentation is required (PPM, operating agreement or bylaws, subscription agreement.) Hope this helps. 

  • Real Estate Agent · Santa Barbara, CA · Member since 2016 · 518 posts · 283 votes
    8y
    I was wondering if forming a syndication to invest in a class A stabilized apartment that was recently built 3 years ago. Keeping current management in place and no value add. Would this still be considered a security since the success of the investment would not be relying on the success and skill of the sponsor.
  • Realtor · Shreveport, LA · Member since 2015 · 79 posts · 23 votes
    8y

    Thank you all for all your advice I just wanted to make sure creating a syndicate would still be the best way to go for me and there wasn’t an easier route

  • Rental Property Investor · Honolulu, HAWAII (HI) · Member since 2011 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    8y
    Joshua Manning there are two types of syndications. 1) single asset - one/few properties - easy to underwrite and a lot of transparency - think single malt whisky 2) blind pool - pretty much a free pass for the sponsor to do whatever - most times this is where most of the scams are found since it’s hard for a LP to audit what’s going on. Think blended whisky. Sometimes it’s better diversification. I personally like single malt whisky I mean single asset LLC because I can analyze that particular apartment building and know what I am investing in.
  • Realtor · Shreveport, LA · Member since 2015 · 79 posts · 23 votes
    8y

    Thank you all for all your advice I just wanted to make sure creating a syndicate would still be the best way to go for me and there wasn’t an easier route> I feel a lot better informed now, Thank you all!

  • Real Estate Agent · Santa Barbara, CA · Member since 2016 · 518 posts · 283 votes
    8y
    A blind pool is really just a private equity company that buys real estate similar to a hedge fund.
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