Lost, seeking guidance for portfolio expansion...

Lost, seeking guidance for portfolio expansion...

Rental Property Investor · Scottsdale, AZ · Member since 2016 · 296 posts · 243 votes

Hi Everyone!

Kind of new to the forum, been reading a LOT over the last couple of days. My post here is for some advice, feedback, criticism, etc on my "next step" in my REI business.

My background is construction, millwork, and operations. I've built all kinds of things, from houses to furniture, to you name it. Construction hacks, budgets, all that, I have dialed in. Did some sales as well, and as best I can tell, am having pretty good luck with REI for the time being.

I live in Scottsdale, and like to invest locally, which isn't without it's difficulties. Most dirt is too expensive for good cap rates, or the condo buildings that work have lousy HOA's, etc.

However - I have 2 condo units in a building which I discovered while riding my bicycle around with the dog. Its a gem from the past, excellent HOA, kind of hidden, and right next to Old Town (the downtown tourist area) and the local hospital. It's block construction, I've made friends with the building maintenance crew, and really, really like the place. It was built in the 60's, by actual craftsmen. I spent a lot of time as a kid with my grandfather, a depression-baby, and incredible maker of things. I learned to look for the best.

Here is the rub: I got started in REI after cutting a deal with family - basically I re-built my recently divorced parent a house for 35% of what the contractor quoted, as they were in a bad situation after a home inspector royally screwed up. It took 8 months, and I lived off ramen noodles and savings, but in exchange, I got bankrolled, and took over the role of "family superintendent".

So right now, I own 4 properties, and manage said parent's house with the help of my crew.  Portfolio is profitable, but needs growing to really be a living.  I don't have demonstrable income other than the RE, which is held in a family trust, but according to my CPA, if he "had any money he'd invest with me"....whatever that means. 

So, cue my search for private money.  Research and google led me here to BP, and I've come seeking ideas for raising capital for these condos.  After running my construction-nerd math, I like the idea of owning 10 of them much more than a 10-unit multi-plex.  Costs are fixed, and predictable, which I like.  

Based on the advice of some people in finance (two family members run a Financial planning office with a partner), I was given the starting suggestion of 1 of 2 things.

1) Partner - they put up money, I run the show.  My "ask" is 25% equity and 50% of net income. 

2) Loans - these units are usually priced in the mid-70's.  I got my last two as distressed for $59K and $67K, and put another 5-6K in them.  They will cashflow well at 20-30yr amort, but not at 15yr.

My tenant base has been a combo of Travel Nurses (I know some folks at the hospital a mile down the road) and AirBnb, and corporate travelers.  

The nut I have been unable to crack from online research is this: where is the middle ground between Hard money and bank money?  I can easily pay 6-8% on a 20-30yr schedule and make this work.  

Thoughts?  What am I missing here?

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  • Kerry BairdPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Melbourne, FL · Member since 2011 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    10y

    I have been looking into this for some time, too.  This is what I have gathered from successful investors here:  

    A)  Find a local lender who will enable you to get the "easy money" first, up to 10 mortgages.  

    B) Interview every lender you can get your hands upon, until you find that one who will keep loans in house. Caliber offers this, and I stopped into a branch, but got crickets later from the person I spoke with.  Will try another branch.  

    C) You may also want to direct mail owners of 5 plexes and up, as these are tough to sell since they are in "commercial" territory (which is anything over 4 units).  The tired landlords amongst these may be willing to carry back in order to sell. 

    D)  And any other owner-finance opportunities you find.  

    E) Move to portfolio lending.  I spoke with Aaron Chapman and I strongly suspect he can get you where you want to go...though I have not pulled the trigger with him (due to my family's ongoing medical crisis).

  • Rental Property Investor · Scottsdale, AZ · Member since 2016 · 296 posts · 243 votes
    10y

    @Kerry Baird - Thank you!  All excellent advice, and I'll work on pursuing it.  "Deals" in my local area are few and far between now, so I need to work to raise funding so I can move like a cash buyer.  I learned in this business, that cash is king for finding deals.  

    I've shied away from 5-6 plexes around here based on looking at a lot of them which are maintenance wrecks, and not having the 30-40K to dump into them after closing to really make them shine.  

    There is a GREAT investment neighborhood about 5 blocks from my house, but I'd need 300-350K just to get started, and probably another 40K for reno's.  But......the upside is huge.  Its so close to Old Town, just needs cleaning out.  Everything is 4-18 units.  Owner carry properties in there are like unicorns, or bigfoot.  I've looked and looked, and so far...nothing.  

    Anyway, I'll start running that list down, and post up what I find.  Thanks for being a great forum!

  • Rental Property Investor · Scottsdale, AZ · Member since 2016 · 296 posts · 243 votes
    10y

    Oh - and @Kerry Baird - can you clarify "portfolio lending", and your contact there?  I'm not sure what you mean.  

    I have 3 properties free and clear and mortgages on 1 rental and on my parent's place.  (2 mortgages total)

  • Kerry BairdPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Melbourne, FL · Member since 2011 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    10y

    I got a message in my inbox that the the Mods modified, but I don't see the word (edit) in there.  I am apparently not allowed to give contact information, so please PM me if you are interested in talking with Aaron at some point, or google him. 

    Let me further explain.  Start with "conventional" mortgages.  The first 4 have easy down payment requirements, five up to ten typically require 25% down and a reasonable debt-to-income percentage.  So use up this "easy" money first.  And then go down my list as suggestions to try once you tap out the previous options.  Portfolio lenders are between the "easy" money and the "hard" money.  They typically hold their own notes in-house instead of farming them out or selling the paper.  The interest rates are higher than conventional but lower than hard money.  And you can bundle many properties into one commercial loan.  

    You're doing free and clear, so this may not apply to you at all...if you keep doing free and clear, you might want to stick with that.  You can't beat the cash flow!  My aim is to "go wide" buy refinancing mine and buying more, and then I aim to "go deep" by using a debt snowball to pay them off.  10 houses free and clear will produce a nice income.

    I bought a condo in Glendale, way back in the beginning of my real estate days.  I know what you mean about the dodgy areas!  All the best~

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