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Updated about 9 hours ago, 11/21/2024

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Seller Finance to 1031

Elliot Angus
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Hello, I am looking to purchase part of a portfolio. The scenario is: The seller (ie. John) currently owns 6 properties. John is looking to sell 1-3 properties now and reinvest some of those proceeds into the remaining 3 properties. In 3-5 years, John is looking to sell off his entire portfolio using a deferred tax 1031 exchange. John may find some difficulty selling an entire property package in such short amount of time. 

This is where I believe I can come in. I want to present Investor A with a hefty down payment to cover improvements of his other assets, while also offering owner finance terms so that in the 3-5 year period he can “sell” the properties to me which I have been paying off throughout the time, so that investor A can successfully 1031 into another investment at that time. 

Questions: 

who can I reach out to for proper terms and complete understanding of 1031?

Would investor A be able to defer capital gains in a situation like this?

What other options do I have to acquire these properties?

Any and all information will help!

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Tim Delaney
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It looks like you are in Buffalo, NY as am I. RJ Gullo advertises everywhere about 1031 exchanges - I've never used him, but I know he does them.

From what I understand about what you said it looks like you are trying to do an installment sale (downpayment now, then payments overtime). Even if that is not your intention, the IRS could decide that is what it was which would mean that the seller would have lost his 1031 ability since he "sold" you the house when he accepted the first payment. Also, in a 1031 the seller cannot take possession of the funds so you giving him the downpayment to do repairs would be challenging. I also don't understand why you would want to tie up your cash so long without the benefits of owning the properties.

The scenario of you buying a few now and the rest in a couple years seems to be the most appealing for you both, why are you adverse to that? You can always sign a contract to buy the remaining properties anytime with a closing date scheduled for the future (not sure why he would want to do that though since we don't know what will happen appreciation-wise). Or you can just be flexible on closing those properties so he can line up the 1031.

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This is an interesting situation, and one that I almost navigated with my mentor prior to his passing this last year. I agree with @Tim Delaney that you should reach out to RJ Gullo regarding the 1031 strategy. Russ has a lot of creative solutions and uses established case law to work in ways that some of the more "cut & dry" intermediaries do not. I know from experience -- contact me directly if you want to chat about it. 

My understanding is that in order for Investor A to use the 1031 exchange to defer taxes, he has to purchase replacement property and not use those sale proceeds for his other properties -- or quite frankly, anything else. 

One thing to explore is Equitable Ownership. Again, I am NOT an intermediary, CPA, nor attorney, but it's worth asking a few questions to those respective professionals. You may be able to "buy in" as a partner on certain properties, then buy him out entirely down the road. Your "buy in" funds could potentially be used for improvements to the other properties you mentioned, without triggering a taxable event. Again, and I cannot stress this enough, I am NOT a tax expert on this so you need to talk to a professional. I am, however, a creative thinker that likes to exhaust all avenues before moving on!

Another option is to have him seller finance at a rate and term attractive enough for him to offset the capital gain. It may be a tough rate for you to swallow, but it may be worth it to secure the properties then refinance in a few years. You could structure a win-win situation where Investor A (the seller) gets his proceeds to cover the work on the remaining properties, while holding the note for you. Again, I agree with Tim's point about the wisdom in tying up your cash for so long. Only YOU can determine if that's wise. 

Let me know if you ever want to chat. This is the kind of stuff I love attacking!

- Tim Smith

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Ashish Acharya
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@Elliot Angus To structure this deal, consult a Qualified Intermediary (QI) for 1031 compliance, a real estate attorney for seller-finance terms, and a CPA to ensure tax deferral. For the seller (John) to defer capital gains via a 1031 exchange, the sale proceeds must be reinvested into like-kind property within 180 days. Payments under seller financing may not qualify unless timed with the 1031 reinvestment. Alternative options include offering a significant down payment, a lease-option agreement, a joint venture, or a deferred closing to align with John's timeline. Proper structuring with professional guidance is key to achieving both parties' goals.

This post does not create a CPA-Client relationship. The information contained in this post is not to be relied upon. Readers should seek professional advice.

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