Help Keep My Father-In-Laws Hand Built Home

Help Keep My Father-In-Laws Hand Built Home

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Hello,

My father in law has two properties here in upstate NY: his primary home and a rental.  His primary home he built with his own hands over the past 30 years. It is where my wife grew up and it is really special to us. It is a beautiful secluded piece of property that almost has a story book feel and we want to keep it in the family and have our children get to grow up with this house.  The rental is a 4 plex that is in great shape.  It brings in about $2400 a month. He owes about $60,000 on the note which is held by the previous owner. Both properties are in great shape and all the work done on them is to code because My father in law is a contractor. 

A few years back my father in law had to have surgery which put him out of work and we was not able to afford his mortgage payment on his primary home. The credit union worked a deal with him that if he made all his interest payments on time over the next few years that they would refinance his loan since at the end of two years. But if they didn't refinance, the payment would balloon. Well, that time has come and his payment has doubled.  The current loan on the house is about $296k, but the payment is about $4k (not including NY prop taxes).  Since interest rates hiked around the time his payment ballooned it created a perfect storm. 

He can no longer afford the monthly payment.  He has tried refinancing his rental but has not had much luck. His credit is not great and is contributing it to being hard to get a refinance.  He was planning to use some of the money on the refinance of his rental to help pay down the principal on his primary home so he could have a more manageable payment.  But since the bank wont refinance his rental, that is not an option.  

He has been working with the credit union that holds the mortgage on his primary home but they are moving really slow and he has not heard back from them for a while. They have done a appraisal on his primary home and it came in at $320k. He is getting really scared he is going to loose his properties since he can not make the payments.

My wife and I ultimately want to end up with these properties but worry that he is going to loose them both because he can not make his payments.  Our thought was to purchase at least his beautiful primary home ourselves and let him continue to live there but we are not really in a place to put down a down payment on his primary home.  We asked a bank if we could do a gift of equity on my father in laws primary home and get it that way but the underwriters will not except a gift of equity on a investment property (It has to be classified as an investment property because we will not be living in it. It also can not be considered a second home because it is not 100 miles away.) 

I need some guidance as to how my wife and I can get these properties so they don' get taken by the bank. My thought is maybe there is a play with his rental property.  He currently only owes $60k on it and it is probably worth $180k-$200k.  Since the note is held with the previous owner, is there a way that I could just take over the property and note and refinance it myself, pull the equity and put a down payment on the primary home?  Or could I purchase the rental at a discount or find someone to loan me $60k and I could refinance and pay back the $60k and put a down payment on his primary home?  Please help me understand how we can save my father in laws home. 

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Real Estate Broker · Hyde Park Tampa, FL · Member since 2019 · 2k+ posts · 3k+ votes
3y

Know this:  financial institutions don't want to foreclose.  They don't want to own property.  Guess why?  They suck at it.  More than likely, the issue is that your FIL hasn't been responsive in dealing with the credit union - and because the credit union sucks at dealing with issues like these, they're going slow because they're figuring out their next steps.  Some big time assertiveness is needed here.  Hire a real estate attorney to step in and negotiate with the credit union.  Get on with it before there is nothing to get on with.  This can be corrected/renegotiated but at this point your FIL doesn't have the best track record in acting in a timely manner with them.  Hiring a real estate attorney is not as expensive as most think (but hiring an attorney who doesn't know the drill could be very expensive so it has to be real estate attorney) and you need some fire power here.  This is only hopeless if you fail to act now.  First step is for you and/or your wife to intervene and support your FIL in moving forward.  Time is of the essence.  Worrying is useless.  Take action now.

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  • Rental Property Investor · Laurel, MD · Member since 2016 · 378 posts · 382 votes
    3y

    Not sure if everyone has or not but it sounds like you're only talking to the Credit Union. That's mistake number 1! Don't stop there, keep going, they say No, try another bank and keep at it. Another problem is the debt to what it appraised for. Try for an FHA loan, you're father-in-law might have better luck.

    As for the rental property, if it's not in your name, you can't get a loan for it. Maybe your wife can get her name on the rental property and try to get it refinance that way.

    How about you and your wife co-signing a refi loan for you father in law?

    Like I said before, don't just stop at one bank. Hit all the local banks, credit unions and expand from there. Time is running out, don't wait on them. Good Luck.

  • Member since 2020 · 2 posts · 0 votes
    3y

    Your are right that he has only talked to credit unions.  He is very old school, and putting his financial records together can be very slow and tedious.  The last two banks he went to he hand delivered his documents.  Since he needs to work, he can't really spend time shopping. But you are right, time is of the essence.  

    I don't know that my wife can cosign since she stays at home with our kids. Wouldn't she need personal income to qualify?  I financially support our household.  Can I just put the property in my name and then refinance?  Why would it need to go into my wife's name?

  • Real Estate Broker · Hyde Park Tampa, FL · Member since 2019 · 2k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    3y

    Know this:  financial institutions don't want to foreclose.  They don't want to own property.  Guess why?  They suck at it.  More than likely, the issue is that your FIL hasn't been responsive in dealing with the credit union - and because the credit union sucks at dealing with issues like these, they're going slow because they're figuring out their next steps.  Some big time assertiveness is needed here.  Hire a real estate attorney to step in and negotiate with the credit union.  Get on with it before there is nothing to get on with.  This can be corrected/renegotiated but at this point your FIL doesn't have the best track record in acting in a timely manner with them.  Hiring a real estate attorney is not as expensive as most think (but hiring an attorney who doesn't know the drill could be very expensive so it has to be real estate attorney) and you need some fire power here.  This is only hopeless if you fail to act now.  First step is for you and/or your wife to intervene and support your FIL in moving forward.  Time is of the essence.  Worrying is useless.  Take action now.

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    Investor · VA · Member since 2015 · 21k+ posts · 19k+ votes
    3y

    @Antonio Gallegos

    If you were going to buy the house and let him live there and you don’t have down payment - why not just pay the mortgage that’s in his name? What’s the difference?

    Also let’s look at captain obvious which is sell the rental property. Take those funds to pay down the mortgage and try and refinance or use that money to cover the mortgage for the next 2 years.

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  • Theresa HarrisPro Member
    Member since 2019 · 15k+ posts · 11k+ votes
    3y

    Talk to other lenders. One option might be to put yourself on title and then you can pay the loan. Or co-sign a loan with him. Otherwise, can you give him the money for the payments?  It isn't up to the credit union to say where the money for the payment comes from-that is none of their business.

    Credit unions operate differently than banks.

  • Wholesaler, Rehabber and Landlord · San Antonio, TX · Member since 2014 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    3y

    First thing to do is have a sit down moment with father in law. Put everything on the table. Make sure everyone is on the same page. Make sure he is in agreement that he needs help.

    4plex is worth 200k with a 60k loan, but the primary has a 300k loan?? It sounds like he needs to sell the primary and move into the 4plex. Sure he will be downgrading quite a bit, but he still owns something.

    If he can clear something off the primary, he can put it towards the 4plex. Now he has income from the 4plex AND no payment on his primary AND a place to live!!

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