Best Strategies to MULTIPLY $100,000

Best Strategies to MULTIPLY $100,000

Investor · Knoxville, TN · Member since 2018 · 8 posts · 1 vote

Hi, I recently moved an IRA I have into a Self-Directed account and would like to make a my next real estate purchase soon. I've always dealt with long-term rentals and these assets, although great, are generally long-term and slower producing. SO, I'm looking at some alternative strategies that will do two things for me:

1. Create high cash flow. 

2. Allow me to multiply and scale my business over and over again without having to make additional investments of my own capital.

In other words, I'd like that $100,000 to launch me into a domino effect where I don't have to add additional capital. I'd like to hear how you have or would successfully use $100,000 to multiply returns over and over again. For instance, I know the BRRRR method works for a lot of people, but I'm also looking at ways to partner with others, short-term rentals and any other strategies out there that will set me up to not have to put more of my money in, while continuing to scale my business with the initial investment of $100,000. Any and all thoughts are welcome!

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Quote from @Stephen Grindle:

Hi, I recently moved an IRA I have into a Self-Directed account and would like to make a my next real estate purchase soon. I've always dealt with long-term rentals and these assets, although great, are generally long-term and slower producing. SO, I'm looking at some alternative strategies that will do two things for me:

1. Create high cash flow. 

2. Allow me to multiply and scale my business over and over again without having to make additional investments of my own capital.

In other words, I'd like that $100,000 to launch me into a domino effect where I don't have to add additional capital. I'd like to hear how you have or would successfully use $100,000 to multiply returns over and over again. For instance, I know the BRRRR method works for a lot of people, but I'm also looking at ways to partner with others, short-term rentals and any other strategies out there that will set me up to not have to put more of my money in, while continuing to scale my business with the initial investment of $100,000. Any and all thoughts are welcome!


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  • Real Estate Agent · Sacramento, CA · Member since 2022 · 36 posts · 6 votes
    3y

    Private Money Lender ! 

    Fix n flippers need you to fund their deals and you can charge 10-12 % interest for a 3-6 months time frame, then pull the money back out, REPEAT. 

    Wholesaler's need you to fund their closings so they can assign their deals in states that require assignment disclosures .

    You can be an investor in other people's short term or long term rentals and request an equity position in the property.  

    Let's connect ! I'm always looking for Private Money Investors

  • Joe VilleneuvePro Member
    Plymouth, MI · Member since 2013 · 13k+ posts · 19k+ votes
    3y

    Why did you move your money into a SDIRA, in order to invest in RE?  How much research did you do before you did this?  I don't mean basic research that tells you all the positive reasons to do this,...I mean research that tells you all the problems, limitations, rules for what you can/can't do, and obstacles associated with this. 

  • Member since 2019 · 7k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Stephen Grindle:

    Hi, I recently moved an IRA I have into a Self-Directed account and would like to make a my next real estate purchase soon. I've always dealt with long-term rentals and these assets, although great, are generally long-term and slower producing. SO, I'm looking at some alternative strategies that will do two things for me:

    1. Create high cash flow. 

    2. Allow me to multiply and scale my business over and over again without having to make additional investments of my own capital.

    In other words, I'd like that $100,000 to launch me into a domino effect where I don't have to add additional capital. I'd like to hear how you have or would successfully use $100,000 to multiply returns over and over again. For instance, I know the BRRRR method works for a lot of people, but I'm also looking at ways to partner with others, short-term rentals and any other strategies out there that will set me up to not have to put more of my money in, while continuing to scale my business with the initial investment of $100,000. Any and all thoughts are welcome!


    Software Venture Capital Business has the highest IRR possible with medium-high risk investment in my eyes.

    Or ..... operate a donut shop in nice intersection, and selling milk tea :)

  • Jaron WallingPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Indianapolis, IN · Member since 2018 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    3y

    I agree with @Joe Villeneuve and hope a fair amount of market research was conducted. In my opinion it's nearly impossible to "scale my business over and over again without having to make additional investments of my own capital." That's an investor dream world. For expert investors it's different but that's not been my experience. We have capital trapped in our properties and we like it! It's equity and protection against the downside. 

  • Joe VilleneuvePro Member
    Plymouth, MI · Member since 2013 · 13k+ posts · 19k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Jaron Walling:

    I agree with @Joe Villeneuve and hope a fair amount of market research was conducted. In my opinion it's nearly impossible to "scale my business over and over again without having to make additional investments of my own capital." That's an investor dream world. For expert investors it's different but that's not been my experience. We have capital trapped in our properties and we like it! It's equity and protection against the downside. 

    Like you said, equity is trapped money, ...and useless.  Not sure how it protects you from a "downside" though.  Let me ask you a question.  If you had $40k of equity in one property, or $20k in each of two properties.  What's the difference in the amount of equity you have?
    Question #2:  If you started with $20k in equity (DP on a $100k property), and that added $20k in equity was from appreciation, how much buying power does that $40k in equity have?
    Question 3:  If you took that same $40k in equity, split it, and then reused it as 2 $20k DP's, how much buying power would you have then?
    Question 4:  In each of the above scenarios (Q#2, Q#3), if each property was the same property...just different addresses, how much CF would Q#2 have vs Q#3?
  • Jaron WallingPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Indianapolis, IN · Member since 2018 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    3y

    @Joe Villeneuve We have only completed live-in flips and BRRRR deals and maximized the capital we had at the time. The numbers you mentioned are very similar to Indianapolis. I'd love to pull equity and spread it around but given our low fixed rates that makes zero sense. It's becoming clear a lot of mid west "cash-flow markets" are no longer cash-flowing. It's an appreciation play. If we could buy more properties in specific neighborhoods, break even, and not jeopardize what we already have I'd do it.

  • Member since 2023 · 5 posts · 4 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Joe Villeneuve:

    Why did you move your money into a SDIRA, in order to invest in RE?  How much research did you do before you did this?  I don't mean basic research that tells you all the positive reasons to do this,...I mean research that tells you all the problems, limitations, rules for what you can/can't do, and obstacles associated with this. 


     I did about 3 months of research, talked to numerous investors and providers of self-directed retirement accounts. 

    The reason I went this direction is because it's the only way to have checkbook control of my retirement funds in order to use it for real estate. I'm surprised you haven't heard of this vehicle before.

  • Member since 2023 · 5 posts · 4 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Melanie Blazek:

    Private Money Lender ! 

    Fix n flippers need you to fund their deals and you can charge 10-12 % interest for a 3-6 months time frame, then pull the money back out, REPEAT. 

    Wholesaler's need you to fund their closings so they can assign their deals in states that require assignment disclosures .

    You can be an investor in other people's short term or long term rentals and request an equity position in the property.  

    Let's connect ! I'm always looking for Private Money Investors

    Yeah, I've thought about becoming a private money lender. I'd be up for a conversation for sure. I'll send you a friend request.

    I've also thought about partnering with someone in exchange for an equity position, but because it's a retirement account, there are regulations that I don't necessarily think a partner would want to follow.

    I


  • Member since 2023 · 5 posts · 4 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Jaron Walling:

    I agree with @Joe Villeneuve and hope a fair amount of market research was conducted. In my opinion it's nearly impossible to "scale my business over and over again without having to make additional investments of my own capital." That's an investor dream world. For expert investors it's different but that's not been my experience. We have capital trapped in our properties and we like it! It's equity and protection against the downside. 

    Yeah, I responded to Joe about my research and due diligence on converting to a self-directed account.

    That said, I have wondered if I need to get into the world of syndications so I can accomplish my goal of being in the deal without having to use my own money. From what I'm gathering, that's probably the direction I'll head.
  • Joe VilleneuvePro Member
    Plymouth, MI · Member since 2013 · 13k+ posts · 19k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Stephen Grindle:
    Quote from @Joe Villeneuve:

    Why did you move your money into a SDIRA, in order to invest in RE?  How much research did you do before you did this?  I don't mean basic research that tells you all the positive reasons to do this,...I mean research that tells you all the problems, limitations, rules for what you can/can't do, and obstacles associated with this. 


     I did about 3 months of research, talked to numerous investors and providers of self-directed retirement accounts. 

    The reason I went this direction is because it's the only way to have checkbook control of my retirement funds in order to use it for real estate. I'm surprised you haven't heard of this vehicle before.

    Not only have I heard of it, I've done it...and regretted it.  That checkbook control isn't what you think it is.  You still can't have any association of funds between you and your account.  You don't own the RE,...the SDIRA does, and everything that restricts your personal use, and activity regarding anything for the property, must be done outside of your direct involvement.
  • Joe VilleneuvePro Member
    Plymouth, MI · Member since 2013 · 13k+ posts · 19k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Jaron Walling:

    @Joe Villeneuve We have only completed live-in flips and BRRRR deals and maximized the capital we had at the time. The numbers you mentioned are very similar to Indianapolis. I'd love to pull equity and spread it around but given our low fixed rates that makes zero sense. It's becoming clear a lot of mid west "cash-flow markets" are no longer cash-flowing. It's an appreciation play. If we could buy more properties in specific neighborhoods, break even, and not jeopardize what we already have I'd do it.

    It's always an appreciation play,...always a CF play.  If the property doesn't have both, then wait until you find ones that do.  There's no rule that says you have to buy properties at a particular time, all the time.  If there are not properties that satisfy equity and cash flow, then there are no deals available.  Wait until there are.  There is nothing in the rule book that says you have to buy properties every <fill in blank here> years.
  • Real Estate Agent · Boise, ID · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 888 votes
    3y

    @Stephen Grindle if you invest inside a IRA you can't touch the cash flow without dealing with the IRA restrictions.

    Also getting loans inside an IRA is difficult and more complicated so the BRRR would be difficult. If you are open to partnering I would just look at being a lender out of your IRA and be a debt partner. If you are looking to live off the cashflow I would find a different way.

  • Member since 2023 · 5 posts · 4 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Chris Davidson:

    @Stephen Grindle if you invest inside a IRA you can't touch the cash flow without dealing with the IRA restrictions.

    Also getting loans inside an IRA is difficult and more complicated so the BRRR would be difficult. If you are open to partnering I would just look at being a lender out of your IRA and be a debt partner. If you are looking to live off the cashflow I would find a different way.

    Yeah, I am approved for a non-recourse loan using my 401k, but I am very aware that I can't touch the cashflow, which is a huge bummer since I do want to eventually live off the cashflow before age 59 1/2. 

    I have considered being a private lender and wouldn't mind doing that, just bummed not to be an equity partner or full owner of a property. 

    Thanks for your help.
  • Member since 2023 · 5 posts · 4 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Joe Villeneuve:
    Quote from @Stephen Grindle:
    Quote from @Joe Villeneuve:

    Why did you move your money into a SDIRA, in order to invest in RE?  How much research did you do before you did this?  I don't mean basic research that tells you all the positive reasons to do this,...I mean research that tells you all the problems, limitations, rules for what you can/can't do, and obstacles associated with this. 


     I did about 3 months of research, talked to numerous investors and providers of self-directed retirement accounts. 

    The reason I went this direction is because it's the only way to have checkbook control of my retirement funds in order to use it for real estate. I'm surprised you haven't heard of this vehicle before.

    Not only have I heard of it, I've done it...and regretted it.  That checkbook control isn't what you think it is.  You still can't have any association of funds between you and your account.  You don't own the RE,...the SDIRA does, and everything that restricts your personal use, and activity regarding anything for the property, must be done outside of your direct involvement.

     Yeah, that is a huge downside to this strategy. That's why I'm looking at alternative ways to use the funds. It seems that the best way is to become a private lender. That way I don't have to deal with all the rules.

  • Investor · New York City, NY · Member since 2013 · 263 posts · 141 votes
    3y

    Since you have it in an SDIRA then I would suggest considering performing mortgage notes.  You can definitely find notes for that price and under that would pay you monthly within a few weeks of purchasing.  Otherwise you may also want to do a crowdfund or be a private lender as you indicated in the above post.

  • Rental Property Investor · Member since 2019 · 11 posts · 2 votes
    3y

    @Stephen Grindle

    If you have a self directed IRA 100k why buy RE at this time?

    Sometimes it is better to wait and have no deal than have a bad RE deal.

    Have you considered investing in stocks specifically AI stocks until things get more clear in the RE?

    Google, Intc, LRCX, AVGO, IBM, META?

  • Joe VilleneuvePro Member
    Plymouth, MI · Member since 2013 · 13k+ posts · 19k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Lelith Walker:

    Since you have it in an SDIRA then I would suggest considering performing mortgage notes.  You can definitely find notes for that price and under that would pay you monthly within a few weeks of purchasing.  Otherwise you may also want to do a crowdfund or be a private lender as you indicated in the above post.

    This is where I ended up with my SDIRA.  I invested in the paper side of REI.
  • Real Estate Agent · Boise, ID · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 888 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Stephen Grindle:
    Quote from @Chris Davidson:

    @Stephen Grindle if you invest inside a IRA you can't touch the cash flow without dealing with the IRA restrictions.

    Also getting loans inside an IRA is difficult and more complicated so the BRRR would be difficult. If you are open to partnering I would just look at being a lender out of your IRA and be a debt partner. If you are looking to live off the cashflow I would find a different way.

    Yeah, I am approved for a non-recourse loan using my 401k, but I am very aware that I can't touch the cashflow, which is a huge bummer since I do want to eventually live off the cashflow before age 59 1/2. 

    I have considered being a private lender and wouldn't mind doing that, just bummed not to be an equity partner or full owner of a property. 

    Thanks for your help.

    I would look at growing it and taking a hit on an early withdrawl once the numbers make sense. All this after you try growing funds else where. 

    Best of luck!

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