EIDL loan - Use of Funds

EIDL loan - Use of Funds

John UnderwoodPro Member
Investor · Greer, SC · Member since 2014 · 13k+ posts · 17k+ votes

Here is what my EIDL documents say and I would like to discuss some points here:

Borrower will not sell or transfer any collateral (except normal inventory turnover in the ordinary course of
business) described in the "Collateral" paragraph hereof without the prior written consent of SBA.

USE OF LOAN PROCEEDS
· Borrower will use all the proceeds of this Loan solely as working capital to alleviate economic injury caused by
disaster occurring in the month of January 31, 2020 and continuing thereafter ...
REQUIREMENTS FOR USE OF LOAN PROCEEDS AND RECEIPTS
· Borrower will obtain and itemize receipts (paid receipts, paid invoices or cancelled checks) and contracts for all Loan funds spent and retain these receipts for 3 years from the date of the final disbursement.


Borrower will not sell or transfer any collateral (except normal inventory turnover in the ordinary course of
business) described in the "Collateral" paragraph hereof without the prior written consent of SBA.



1. What do you use "Operating Capital" for? Do you use it for repairs and maintenance? Do you use Operating Capital to acquire more properties? What if your business model has been to grow your portfolio every year and you use Operating Capital to assist with this? Do you use Operating Capital to replace a leaking roof or Busted HVAC?  This may be a grey area but I don't think so. There is nothing in my documentation to say any of this is not allowed. Someone said that this is not allowed in another post and based on reading every word of my contract I would say that person is dead wrong. Any spending helps the local economy. That may be just as much of a reason that the SBA is making these loans.

There is the section about to  "alleviate economic injury" from January until... We don't know what the future holds for the economy and continued rent payments form Tenants.

So what if you take the loan and it turns out that nothing super bad happens that you have to "alleviate economic injury"? You just keep the money in a separate account and pay interest on it for 30 years?

Even if you say you are going to use the EIDL loan money pay mortgage payments on business properties, but ended up not having any real hardship are you still meeting this section of the contract? You could argue this either way.

Notice under receipts it says to keep contracts. Contracts are not used to buy paint at HD, contracts are used to purchase assets or maybe hire a PM. So why else would they mention to keep copies of contracts?

2. So if you flip houses (I have one under contract for sale), is a flip house not part of your normal inventory if you flip houses? This would be different than selling a rental house if all you normally do is rent houses as a Landlord. I think you could certainly make this argument. Even more so if you have other collateral in your business name. Would you still contact the SBA to get authorization?

3. The Collateral paragraph says: All tangible and intangible personal property, including, but not limited to: (a) inventory, (b) equipment, (c) instruments, including promissory notes (d) chattel paper, including tangible chattel paper and electronic chattel paper, (e) documents, (f) letter of credit rights, (g) accounts, including health-care insurance receivables and credit card receivables, (h) deposit accounts, (i) commercial tort claims, (j) general intangibles, including payment intangibles and software and (k) as-extracted collateral as such terms may from time to time be defined in the Uniform Commercial Code. The security interest Borrower grants includes all accessions, attachments, accessories, parts, supplies and replacements for the Collateral, all products, proceeds and collections thereof and all records and data relating thereto.

So one could argue that a ladder or your printer that is company owned could not be sold or transferred without contacting the SBA for permission.

I think at the end of the day, as someone said on another post, that if you make you payments till the loan is paid in full you will likely never be audited. They are not going to have the manpower to do so.

Also use the money in good faith and not go buy a new car or boat with it.

Just like people getting in trouble for not using their self directed IRA correctly. These people who get in trouble didn't get in trouble for changing a light bulb at their IRA owned house, they were doing blatant violations like paying themselves to manage the IRA owned property or other stupid moves.

Just my opinion. Open for discussion. GO

0Reply
53 views

Most Popular Reply

Joseph CacciapagliaBusiness Member
Lender · San Antonio, TX · Member since 2020 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
6y

I was concerned about this as well. I called the SBA and was told that as long as I was operating my business as usual and making my payments, I could spend the money however I wanted, including paying myself. I realize that's not what the docs say, so I asked several follow up questions. Finally the rep told me that no one would ever check up on my loan, due to the size. They're using the same documents for loans up to $2MM. I borrowed significantly less than that. Based on my limited experience with government lending, I tend to believe the rep's statements about not checking due to size. I'm not going out and buying a new car with my loan, but beyond that, I'm not terribly worried about it.

Joseph Cacciapaglia powered by Morty
See this reply in the discussion

8 Replies

Jump to latestLatest
  • Joseph CacciapagliaBusiness Member
    Lender · San Antonio, TX · Member since 2020 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    6y

    I was concerned about this as well. I called the SBA and was told that as long as I was operating my business as usual and making my payments, I could spend the money however I wanted, including paying myself. I realize that's not what the docs say, so I asked several follow up questions. Finally the rep told me that no one would ever check up on my loan, due to the size. They're using the same documents for loans up to $2MM. I borrowed significantly less than that. Based on my limited experience with government lending, I tend to believe the rep's statements about not checking due to size. I'm not going out and buying a new car with my loan, but beyond that, I'm not terribly worried about it.

    Joseph Cacciapaglia powered by Morty
  • John UnderwoodPro Member
    OP
    Investor · Greer, SC · Member since 2014 · 13k+ posts · 17k+ votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Joseph Cacciapaglia:

    I was concerned about this as well. I called the SBA and was told that as long as I was operating my business as usual and making my payments, I could spend the money however I wanted, including paying myself. I realize that's not what the docs say, so I asked several follow up questions. Finally the rep told me that no one would ever check up on my loan, due to the size. They're using the same documents for loans up to $2MM. I borrowed significantly less than that. Based on my limited experience with government lending, I tend to believe the rep's statements about not checking due to size. I'm not going out and buying a new car with my loan, but beyond that, I'm not terribly worried about it.

     I agree, thanks for the feedback from talking to the SBA!

  • Developer · New York City, NY · Member since 2015 · 812 posts · 718 votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Joseph Cacciapaglia:

    I was concerned about this as well. I called the SBA and was told that as long as I was operating my business as usual and making my payments, I could spend the money however I wanted, including paying myself. I realize that's not what the docs say, so I asked several follow up questions. Finally the rep told me that no one would ever check up on my loan, due to the size. They're using the same documents for loans up to $2MM. I borrowed significantly less than that. Based on my limited experience with government lending, I tend to believe the rep's statements about not checking due to size. I'm not going out and buying a new car with my loan, but beyond that, I'm not terribly worried about it.

    How much were you approved for?

  • Member since 2020 · 17 posts · 36 votes
    6y

    @John Underwood like anything else in life, just make your payments and no one will bother you. You miss a payment and things will change.

  • Member since 2020 · 2 posts · 0 votes
    6y

    Could we pay our taxes with this loan?

  • Bob NortonPro Member
    Accountant · Slidell, LA · Member since 2019 · 382 posts · 272 votes
    6y

    The loan docs refer to working capital and operating expenses. Since the loan is to your business, you can pay any normal business expenses from the loan proceeds, including payroll expenses.  Just keep all your receipts for the items you spend the loan proceeds on.  

    Setup a spreadsheet to log your receipts, so that you can track the total that you spend.  Then when you've reached an amount equal to the loan proceeds, save the log and receipts in a file in case you are audited.

    As for paying personal debts and income taxes with the loan proceeds, those are not business expenses, so those expenses are not included in the use of the loan proceeds.  You can get around this by either paying yourself a salary (if you are an S-Corp), which would count as an expense for the loan proceeds, or you can distribute to yourself future profits that your business receives in the normal course of business.

  • Member since 2020 · 2 posts · 0 votes
    6y

    Thank you Bob for your response.  I can fully understand the income tax would be tricky to use this loan.  I own an apartment building.  Would the property taxes and insurance be part of the business expense and therefore be covered by the EIDL loan?

  • Member since 2021 · 1 post · 0 votes
    5y

    I'm interested if anyone knows if your able to use the SBA EIDL to purchase the business property you are leasing? This is the same business property for which the funds were approved.

Join the conversationCreate a free account to reply, vote on answers and follow this thread.