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Updated almost 6 years ago,

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Nate R.
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Austin, TX
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Refinancing but not sure now

Nate R.
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Austin, TX
Posted

I started a refinance application on my residence and I'm kind of having some second thoughts about it. It appraised at $370k, with about $189 left on the first mortgage balance. I also have a HELOC with a limit of $62,000 (based on an old appraisal).

I got a rate of 4.5% on a 30-year fixed, with closing costs coming in around 2% (not including prepaids). I was in a bit of a hurry due to other commitments like work and didn't spend more time shopping around, but I know I could probably beat this today. That's not the main issue, but I felt pressured on a couple of occasions by the lender. I think he was lying when he said interest rates have gone up since the application. I follow the Treasury market and I've seen rates come down in the past few weeks. Maybe it's not a significant difference but that bothers me.

The main issue is whether it's even a good idea to blow up my first mortgage, at 3.875%, and replace it with a new first mortgage for $296k at 4.5%. My HELOC is prime + 1.25, which today comes in at 6.75%.

My goal is to get more capital for syndication deals with holds anywhere from 5 - 10 years, or possibly for other investments like stocks. My thinking is that interest rates could go up, so a floating rate loan could turn painful in a rising rate scenario. 

I created a spreadsheet to analyze various scenarios. First, using a HELOC. Here are my payments on a 75% LTV HELOC max draw (based on the new appraisal) plus first mortgage for various interest rates:

Payments First mortgage HELOC Total
At 6.75% 1676 587 2263
At 7.75% 1676 646 2322
At 8.75% 1676 707 2383
At 10% 1676 786 2462
At 18% 1676 1337 3013

In the refinance scenario, my payment would be $2182/mo. In any scenario, the payment would be lower to refinance, unless I can find a HELOC with a lower rate. I've seen some promo rates, but I assume that they go up after some period of time.

Also, I looked at the expected equity plus cash-out amount after 5 years, assuming 3% annual appreciation:

Sell after 5 years First mortgage balance   HELOC balance   Cash   Value Equity     Total (Equity + Cash)
End at Year 5 (6.75%) $175,538   $82,034   $88,500    $42,8931  $171,359     $259,859
One percent higher (7.75%) $175,538   $83,296   $88,500   $42,8931  $170,097     $258,597
Two percent higher $175,538   $84,077   $88,500   $42,8931  $169,316     $257,816
At 10% $175,538   $84,913   $88,500   $42,8931  $168,480     $256,980
At 18% $175,538   $87,679   $88,500   $42,8931   $165,714     $254,214

For refinance:

 First mortgage balance     Cash     Value     Equity       Total (Equity + Cash)
 $269,827   $100,280.00      $428,931  $159,104.00        $259,384.00

I assumed a 5 year hold since that seemed likely, based on the fact most Americans don't own their homes for longer than this. I think that sounds about right for us. 

I assumed that the refinance would cost me a lot more, but it's clear that it's about the same as a HELOC for 5 years, and if interest rates go up, refinancing comes out ahead.

The advantage to the HELOC seems to be that you can pay it off and then you have the lower payments on the first mortgage vs. the higher payments when you refinance. But if you plan on carrying the debt for longer periods of time, I don't think there is any advantage to using a HELOC. Plus, there are the following disadvantages:

- Bank loans can be called

- Lines of credit can be frozen so if you don't use them, you risk not having access to the funds

- Interest rates and payments can go up

I guess I'm trying to avoid black swans and blowing up of using short-term credit to invest in long-duration assets like real estate.

But, perhaps the fear of rising interest rates is overblown? Right now, it looks like we might have a recession in a year or so.

Does my reasoning and analysis make sense?

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