Limitations on future financing using BRRRR

Limitations on future financing using BRRRR

New to Real Estate · Buenos Aires, Argentina · Member since 2018 · 2 posts · 0 votes

Hi all, I'm new to BP and have been assertively listening to podcasts and reading BP sponsored books over the last couple of months. I feel I have a good understanding of the BRRRR strategy, how it works, and the short/long-term benefits. However, I recently threw the idea by a friend of mine whose opinion I trust a great deal in financial matters broadly, and real estate specifically. While not shooting the idea down, he raised a number of possible concerns about future financing, such as possibly needing additional collateral or proof of other sources of income to justify repeated loans. He also raised concerns about possible increases in the interest rates on subsequent loans.

Ultimately, I'd like to understand the bank/lender's perspective when someone comes to them with multiple mortgages on the books and keeps trying to throw new refinanced properties onto the books. What do lenders/banks think when they see this strategy being employed? Is it viewed as more risky and do ensuing interest rates rise as the number of properties and refinanced loans increases? If I'm employing capital in a repeated BRRRR strategy on less expensive properties (say 80-200K all in costs), what impact would this have if I decide to borrow a conventional loan to buy a larger property for myself in 5 to 10 years? My understanding is that most banks like to see two years of the asset performing as a rental before they see it as an asset and not merely as a (good) debt/liability?

Also, when most people do BRRRR calculations, do you also taking into account opportunity costs of how your capital (especially if cash assets) could be alternately invested?

Thanks for tolerating a newbie question that may have been discussed elsewhere.

-Aaron

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  • Rental Property Investor · Greenwich, CT · Member since 2015 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    7y

    @Aaron Tiffany, there's a lot in here, so let's take them one at a time.

    Multiple loans: the key is to establish a strong relationship with a local bank/credit union. You want them to understand your strategy and goals. As you find and close successful deals they will be able to work with you to find the best financing options. "Too many" loans can be a thing in this way: most banks sell their loans to Fannie/Freddie and F/F only allows a person to have 10 (don't quote me on the exact number) mortgages. If you're working with a local institution that keeps their loans in house, this isn't a problem.
    What the banks mostly care about is Debt-to-Income (DTI) ratio. If you're continually increasing your income through REI, it's okay for your debt to go up proportionally. If a bank sees you consistently doing profitable deals, that lowers their risk.

    Personal Property: if you're making the money, you'll get the loan for your personal property in 5-10 years.

    2 Years Performing Asset: what to keep in mind with all of these "rules" is that they usually reflect rules for a "conforming" loan, i.e. one that will qualify to be sold to Fannie/Freddie as noted above. Again, if a local bank keeps their loans in-house, they decide their underwriting rules. Yes, they will be very similar to F/F in many ways, but the local bank has the flexibility to make calls on a case-by-case basis. If you're a great client who continually brings them business with a track record of strong financial deals...you're a dream come true for them.

    Opportunity Costs: Sophisticated investors often employ a metric called Internal Rate of Return (IRR), which looks at a potential investment compared to other investments. I highly recommend Frank Gallinelli's book. I talks about IRR plus every other important REI metric you can imagine.

  • Andrew PostellPro Member
    Lender · Fort Worth, TX · Member since 2016 · 8k+ posts · 6k+ votes
    7y

    @Aaron Tiffany I'll try to keep this short but it may not work.  Essentially your friends concerns are unfounded.  When you buy a property that cash flows (which they all should) you should appear BETTER to the bank.  Now, I can't speak for every lender here but the ones that are good won't mind seeing rental properties that are cash flowing.

    Also, the more properties you own don't affect the interest rate of Fannie/Freddie types of loans.  Their rate is determined on credit score, Loan to Value (meaning how much downpayment or equity you have) and amount of money you are borrowing.  

    Again, with the Fannie/Freddie loan types you need to keep in mind the amount of reserves you need to have as you go along.  Reserves are the amount of money you have in the bank for repairs or vacancy or anything else that might be needed.  It is NOT money you bring to closing but money you have somewhere in some bank account just in case.  It doesn't matter where your reserves are invested just as long as you have access to them.

    Now, once you hit 10 loans...then you cannot receive any additional Fannie/Freddie type of money.  It's a common problem but there are entire books on commercial/portfolio type of lending.  

    I know this was a lot of information and I read the above post too which is very helpful.  One item I would add is that not every lender needs 2 years of rental income.  I would absolutely encourage you to ONLY work with lenders that count rental income immediately.  

    I've included a list of questions that would be good for you to ask lenders to see if they can work with investors.  Hope this helps.  Thanks!

    Questions for Lenders

    1. When do you start using rental income to help me qualify? (the answer needs to be immediately)
    2. How long do you need me to be on title to refinance? (this is important if you do need a short term loan to purchase then refinance out - and the answer should be 1 day...very important that it is 1 day on title is all that is needed to refinance)
    3. What is my minimum down payment required? (if they only require 15% down on a single family home that is usually a good sign that you are working with a flexible lender)
    4. Can I change title to my LLC?
    5. Do you sell your mortgages?
    6. What is your loan minimum?
    7. Can you explain to me what your reserve requirements are?
  • New to Real Estate · Buenos Aires, Argentina · Member since 2018 · 2 posts · 0 votes
    7y

    Thanks so much for your responses @Jaysen Medhurst and @Andrew Postell 

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