Denied Loan even w/Great paying Job, DTI and credit score

Denied Loan even w/Great paying Job, DTI and credit score

Salt Lake City, UT · Member since 2016 · 24 posts · 4 votes

I suffered a kick to the stomach today. I work in the healthcare field, I make good income, receive a W-2 but I only work in 3 month throughout the year for multiple employers. My plan was to purchase my very first property by December of this year. It was to be a house hack duplex or triplex using my VA loan. I started the VA loan Pre-approval process, and today I spoke to the Loan person, her response was that my work history prohibits me from going forth.

The Loan Officer says the bank is looking for 2 years of steady employment with at least one Employer, and since I work for different companies throughout the year, it puts me in a bad position. I explained my situation; while I work for different companies throughout the year, I have never been unemployed and have the tax statement to show I have constant Middle class income. It sounds odd and nontraditional, but that is a common work template for many in the healthcare field.

After our conversation she said since I have worked for one of the companies multiple times, roughly equating to about a year and a half, the underwriters may be able to work around that. She then emailed me some documents to fill out, to further explain what we discussed on the phone, but I fear I'll it wont be enough, and once again I'll be denied.

My goal here in my beginner stages is to invest in small multifamily dwelling rentals and eventually ramp up to larger condominium investments (20-50 units).

I'd really prefer to get some type of traditional bank financing for my first deal, I have the steady pay, credit score and and DTI to receive it but that work history issue seems to be a killer for me.

Now that I've been denied, Its really put a fire in my belly.  My goal was to purchase my first property this year, and I'm gonna get this done! 

Are there any opinions on how to go forth in my process.  I was  Thanks all.

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  • Chris MasonPro Member
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    Lender · CA · Member since 2015 · 9k+ posts · 10k+ votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Ray Hollins:

    I'd really prefer to get some type of traditional bank financing for my first deal, I have the steady pay, credit score and and DTI to receive it but that work history issue seems to be a killer for me.

    Now that I've been denied, Its really put a fire in my belly.  My goal was to purchase my first property this year, and I'm gonna get this done! 

    Are there any opinions on how to go forth in my process.  I was  Thanks all.

     My wife works in theater, it's the same sort of thing for her peeps. It's not the end of the world, it just requires extensive documentation to make it work. We've done a few like this.

  • Rental Property Investor · San Diego, CA · Member since 2013 · 3k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    9y
    I feel your pain. I own tens of millions of RE and can't refi my own home. Get thorough working with brainless conventional lenders and move to commercial when you can. Keep your chin up in the meantime. You'll get there!
  • Loan Officer / Processor / Life & Health Agent · Rancho Cucamonga, CA · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 757 votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Ray Hollins:

    I suffered a kick to the stomach today. I work in the healthcare field, I make good income, receive a W-2 but I only work in 3 month throughout the year for multiple employers. My plan was to purchase my very first property by December of this year. It was to be a house hack duplex or triplex using my VA loan. I started the VA loan Pre-approval process, and today I spoke to the Loan person, her response was that my work history prohibits me from going forth.

    The Loan Officer says the bank is looking for 2 years of steady employment with at least one Employer, and since I work for different companies throughout the year, it puts me in a bad position. I explained my situation; while I work for different companies throughout the year, I have never been unemployed and have the tax statement to show I have constant Middle class income. It sounds odd and nontraditional, but that is a common work template for many in the healthcare field.

    After our conversation she said since I have worked for one of the companies multiple times, roughly equating to about a year and a half, the underwriters may be able to work around that. She then emailed me some documents to fill out, to further explain what we discussed on the phone, but I fear I'll it wont be enough, and once again I'll be denied.

    My goal here in my beginner stages is to invest in small multifamily dwelling rentals and eventually ramp up to larger condominium investments (20-50 units).

    I'd really prefer to get some type of traditional bank financing for my first deal, I have the steady pay, credit score and and DTI to receive it but that work history issue seems to be a killer for me.

    Now that I've been denied, Its really put a fire in my belly.  My goal was to purchase my first property this year, and I'm gonna get this done! 

    Are there any opinions on how to go forth in my process.  I was  Thanks all.

     As mentioned by @Chris Mason you'll just need to supply more detailed information.  I'm sure that you can get this done.

  • Rental Property Investor · York, PA · Member since 2017 · 377 posts · 315 votes
    9y

    @Ray Hollins - I would suggest trying another lender if possible, or talk again with your loan officer. W2 income is supposed to be averaged over 24 months when determining income for a mortgage - this is done specifically to account for people who have spikes in their income. What a lender should be looking for is consistency. What they don't want to see is a trend downward. 

    I don't have a lot of experience with this type of situation, but I have talked with others who have been in similar situations.

    If you keep up your current attitude, you'll have your first property by December.

  • Don KonipolBusiness Member
    Investor · The Woodlands TX / Avon, CT · Member since 2009 · 6k+ posts · 10k+ votes
    9y

    @Ray Hollins, your situation "falls through the cracks" of the parameters set up for residential lending.  

    I assume you are a W2 employee, short term for a number of companies. From a qualification standpoint, you need to form an LLC, if possible have your employers contract with your LLC for the services you provide. You will be responsible for both sides of FICA, but this can be rectified by the employer paying your LLC a slightly higher "salary" which accounts for the differential, so at the end of the day it costs them the same. At the end of the year your LLC earnings are shown on Sch C of your 1040. Now you are a self employed individual, and fall under the self employment category when applying for a loan. Unfortunately, you may need two years of this to qualify.

    Private Mortgage Financing Partners, LLC
  • Patrick LiskaPro Member
    Investor · Verona, NJ · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 832 votes
    9y

    @Cody L., i do not own tens of millions of RE like you but i do find it amazing the difference between commercial and residential lenders. i was looking to refinance my personal mortgage, and everyone i have talked to wants you to jump through hoops and supply the world in paperwork to them. i deal with one bank right now for my properties ( in a different state) all commercial loans, i send an email to my Broker, tell him i am buying another house, the amount i want, can i get a loan? and that's it. even with my first property with them, i showed up with 3 yrs tax returns, copies of latest bank statements and a copy of my net worth from my financial adviser, and that was it, i was approved on the spot.

     Ray, you are going to have to jump through hoops and argue with them sometimes. i am self employed as a Contractor and have been for 31 yrs, and it's always a fight with lenders to prove your income, because i feel most of them do not know how to read tax returns and understand the deductions i am able to take that W2 workers can not.

  • China, ME · Member since 2014 · 3k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    9y

    One other suggestion - talk to a local bank or credit union to see if they would do a portfolio loan.

  • Melvin ListBusiness Member
    Lender · Tampa, FL · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 381 votes
    9y

    @Ray Hollins I would try another lender and document everything in detail

    C2 Financial
  • Salt Lake City, UT · Member since 2016 · 24 posts · 4 votes
    9y

    I apologize, I have been working crazy hours and was unable to hop back on BP.  After reading my initial post I realized I failed to input some information.  I am currently in California but I am relocating to Utah to purchase.  In addition to the bank wanting me to have 2 years employment with the same employer, she is telling me my move to another state is a negative as well.  She understands I do contract work and will be working in Utah and California, but that doesn't seem to get me anywhere.  She sent me the prequal docs to fill out, I'll fill those out tonight and hopefully that pushes me in the right direction.

  • Rental Property Investor · Pawtucket, RI · Member since 2017 · 47 posts · 37 votes
    9y
    Ray Hollins don't have to apologize lol, I would try another or would go through a broker Don Konipol gave you a perfect answer when it come about working for different companies best option is to form a Llc.
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