Advice Needed - Financing a Third Rental Property

Advice Needed - Financing a Third Rental Property

Investor · Ocala, FL · Member since 2016 · 19 posts · 4 votes

Any advice on this would be greatly appreciated. Currently have two rental properties. One of which is free and clear, paid off, no mortgage. I want to pull $50,000 in equity out of that home to purchase a third rental property. So it would be a small mortgage, 30 years fixed. My numbers and credit score are good. However, went through the whole process with one bank only to run into an issue with the underwriter. My AGI for 2015 is great. My 2014 AGI is hurting me as it is almost a $20k difference. My financial performance was great in 2014 but I had significant deductions that year. This particular bank takes your AGI from the past two years, and averages them to determine your monthly income and DTI (debt to income ratio). Obviously this doesn't accurately represent what I actually make. It's almost a $2,500 difference on my monthly income, which makes a huge difference on my DTI. Unfortunately, they have to base it on the average and not actual.

I don't want to pull my credit multiple times obviously, so this is my question. Are there any banks/underwriters that analyze your income using a different method? And if so are there any banks you would suggest that would make it worth pulling my credit again? 

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  • Rental Property Investor · Iowa City, IA · Member since 2015 · 1 post · 0 votes
    10y

    My advice is to get a Home Equity line of credit for $50k instead.  Later refi into a fixed mortgage when your income average is higher

  • Lender · San Diego, CA · Member since 2016 · 62 posts · 29 votes
    10y

    Hi Karl.

    I'm a mortgage broker and here are a couple thoughts.

    1. Credit reporting rules have been set up to encourage you to shop around, so your credit score won't be impacted multiple times when your credit is pulled multiple times in the same time window. Additionally, with good credit scores the impact from pulling credit is not significant.

    2. Finding a good mortgage broker would be an advantage for you.  We have multiple lending relationships and can direct different loans for different situations to a lending partner that would be a good fit for the situation. In your case, directing your loan to a company that encourages more common sense underwriting and understands the logic of adding one time deductions back into the revenue would make sense. Banks are notorious for having their box. If you don't fit in, then you don't get a loan. With a broker, if one lending partner denies the loan, he can find another option with no additional work (or credit reports) on your part.

    3. I'm investing in rental properties in Tennessee and have spoken with a local bank for what amounts to a commercial Line of Credit (LOC) with my free and clear properties used as collateral. I haven't used this option yet, but in general terms the bank said they would give 80% of the appraised value for the LOC with a variable rate tied to prime, which is in the 5.5% range right now. Might be an another route to pursue.

    Let me know if I can help with any further info.

    Luke Schrotberger

  • Loan Officer / Processor / Life & Health Agent · Rancho Cucamonga, CA · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 757 votes
    10y

    @Karl Hudson

    You can use one year of tax returns and if the numbers work you're good.  You will need some additional items if you're self employed but this doable if your C.I.A. ( credit , income , assets ) are on good.

    You need to find a broker or Loan Officer who has the experience to get this completed for you.

    I hope this helps and have a good one Karl.

  • Robert FeolPro Member
    Specialist · Memphis, TN · Member since 2008 · 41 posts · 34 votes
    10y

    Hi Karl

    Years ago on my radio show I had a guest named Walter Woffard, who gave me some of the most impactful and insightful information I have gotten in real estate and it changed my way of thinking permanently.  In essence, I was running into this exact issue that you are, and explaining to him what a hassle it was - and he said 'Robert, the problem you are having is you are putting banks in a position to say yes or no.  When you remove this from your life your investing career will become so much easier.'  

    What was he talking about?  He was discussing private lending.  You should, in fact, shop around for various mortgage brokers, and many have different rules.  One may say no and another may say yes.  Alternatively, if you have a strong deposit relationship with a bank you can ask them about 'warehouse lending', which is a shorter type of in house lending they offer and generally your banker can say yes or no from the desk.  Barring these options working for you, engaging a private lending relationship with a negotiable interest rate and financing terms is a great way to get someone to say 'yes' to your budding real estate portfolio.  I started a lending program several years ago that was based on peer to peer lending and used this to pay off 9 homes in a five year period.  It worked for me, so I know it can work for you.  

    If you are unfamiliar with private lending, Alan Cowgill offers a home study course on the benefits of this, I took one with him through Baltimore REIA when I was visiting up there it was very useful and changed my ways of thinking permanently, and in an extremely profitable way,.

    Hope that helps.

  • Lender · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2015 · 121 posts · 28 votes
    10y

    @Karl Hudson you already have some great answers. Discuss different loan programs with banks. I would suggest looking into the different (secured vs unsecured, personal vs business) lines of credits, personal/business loans etc. If for some reason the bank can't assist with that, look into private money lenders as a second option or even 1st option.

  • Investor · Ocala, FL · Member since 2016 · 19 posts · 4 votes
    10y

    I apologize for the delay. It's been a chaotic week over here. This is great!! Good information and advice. I am going to give it go with some of the suggestions here and see what I can come up with. Thank you all for taking the time. I really appreciate it. 

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