FHA 203K - Need to explain "downgrading" from SFR to Triplex

FHA 203K - Need to explain "downgrading" from SFR to Triplex

Investor · Spokane, WA · Member since 2015 · 86 posts · 68 votes

Checking if anyone else has gone through this while house hacking.

My wife and I have a triplex under contract near our primary residence. We're currently renting 2 of the 3 rooms in our primary. Our plan is to convert our SFR into a full time rental and move into a unit in this triplex.

We're doing an FHA 203K loan and my mortgage broker's biggest concern is that underwriting won't approve the loan because they won't believe we'd "downgrade" from a home to a multi-family.

In my head, it's pretty cut and dry.  We've been renting rooms, so we're actually moving from a shared living environment to our own private unit.  We'd be shifting from having to pay some of our mortgage to having to pay none of our mortgage, which seems like an upgrade.

We also want to become real estate investors and from an investment point of view, it makes good sense to live in a unit for one year into order to control that asset with such little money down and be able to finance the rehab.

And lastly, we signed several documents stating that we understand it's a crime to not live there for a full year.  So. . . since we're not criminals, we'll be living there for a year (I get that a percentage of people probably lie on this.)

So. . .

Does anyone have any experience with what type of language or reasoning helps win over an underwriter whose "downgrade" red flag has gone up?  

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Investor · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2015 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
10y

Just write a letter with what you said:

We've been renting rooms, so we're actually moving from a shared living environment to our own private unit. We'd be shifting from having to pay some of our mortgage to having to pay none of our mortgage, which seems like an upgrade.

I wouldn't go into wanting to become RE investors...

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  • Investor · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2015 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    10y

    Just write a letter with what you said:

    We've been renting rooms, so we're actually moving from a shared living environment to our own private unit. We'd be shifting from having to pay some of our mortgage to having to pay none of our mortgage, which seems like an upgrade.

    I wouldn't go into wanting to become RE investors...

  • Investor · Spokane, WA · Member since 2015 · 86 posts · 68 votes
    10y

    @Max T., thanks.  Good point about not bringing up the desire the become investors.  They are a shady bunch. . . 

  • Investor · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2015 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    10y

    And as long as you've been claiming it as income on your taxes for the past year or two, your rental income from your primary residence can help you qualify. They will want to see copies of leases.

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    Lender · CA · Member since 2015 · 9k+ posts · 10k+ votes
    10y

    What do you have on paper that can substantiate that you rent 2 of the 3 rooms of your current residence out to other people? If you have something solid, that would make it a slam dunk.

    Things that would work.

    - Tax returns, but I'm going to guess you don't report it.

    - Leases paired with bank statements showing you get a check for $X/month each month. Super slam dunk if your tenant has her address as your address on the checks, otherwise find some other bill going to your tenant at your address as proof.

  • Real Estate Agent · Willoughby, OH · Member since 2014 · 560 posts · 690 votes
    10y

    Showing proof as Max and Chris said would help.

    Max, since renting rooms in your primary is considered boarder income, you cannot use that to help you qualify based on DTI ratio. I don't believe that is their concern in this case so no biggie.

    Scott, is the triplex any closer to your workplace or does it happen to be in a better neighborhood? That may help if presented along with your other reasons.

  • Investor · Spokane, WA · Member since 2015 · 86 posts · 68 votes
    10y

    Thanks everyone.  

    @Chris Mason, We do have leases in place.  We use Cozy to collect rent, so we have a payment history report that matches up with bank statements.  Also, you're correct in that we had not claimed it on previous tax returns.  We had looked at as people chipping in to cover utilities and mortgage, not generating income.  However, after recently realizing our error, we have an amended return in the works.  So we'll see if we get that back in time.

    Do you know how much underwriters care about the "personal" side of it?  Such as: My wife's degree is in Spanish so we try to travel to a Spanish-speaking country every year.  This move to a triplex puts us in a better financial position to do that. 

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    Lender · CA · Member since 2015 · 9k+ posts · 10k+ votes
    10y
    Originally posted by @Scott Ellis:

    Thanks everyone.  

    @Chris Mason, We do have leases in place.  We use Cozy to collect rent, so we have a payment history report that matches up with bank statements.  Also, you're correct in that we had not claimed it on previous tax returns.  We had looked at as people chipping in to cover utilities and mortgage, not generating income.  However, after recently realizing our error, we have an amended return in the works.  So we'll see if we get that back in time.

    Do you know how much underwriters care about the "personal" side of it?  Such as: My wife's degree is in Spanish so we try to travel to a Spanish-speaking country every year.  This move to a triplex puts us in a better financial position to do that. 

     That's a good reason.

  • Real Estate Broker · Chicago, IL · Member since 2015 · 531 posts · 266 votes
    10y

    Get a lease lined up for your SFH. Case closed.

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