Lender willing to accept gift funds for an investment property?

Lender willing to accept gift funds for an investment property?

Olathe, KS · Member since 2019 · 18 posts · 2 votes

Does anyone have a lender they recommend who is willing to work on a Short Sale deal where I would use some gift money as a portion of the down payment. The property is in KS and is less than 50 miles from my primary residence. We intend to use the acreage as a place to escape the city when we want but are finding it difficult to get lenders to accept the use of gift money. 

The property has a house on it but it is unlivable in it's current state. 

Any suggestions would be most appreciated!

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Lender · Washington DC · Member since 2015 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
3y

Gift isn't the biggest problem. There is a house which is a standing hazard from what you describe. Can you get insurance to cover the risk of kids breaking in and nearly dying (probably not). Will the short sale servicer/lender approve you and how long will that take (months)? If you have the 20% PLUS gift letter only from family member and you can qualify full doc (with IRS returns) AND the loan is large enough not to be a High Cost (most have minimum loan amounts) there are some sources but it will be dear.  This is a hard money only deal- the exit strategy is to either scrape the lot and sell in 18 months or come up with the cash to rehab the house to meet current health and safety codes in 18 and then refinance.

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  • Rental Property Investor · Boston, Massachusetts (MA) · Member since 2016 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    3y

    Often they will accept a "gift letter" confirming the gift is outright and not an undisclosed loan. You may want to ask the gifter for that? Might help.

  • Lender · Washington DC · Member since 2015 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    3y

    Un-liveable house as in the roof is bad, there is no stove working? Lots of unknowns in your question.

    It cannot be a rental unless you get a rehab type loan and repair it in the recent months.

    Vacant land you need 20% down of your own funds and have to be able to carry the principle interest and taxes against your full documentation income.

    Short sale can't get approved unless you have a firm Commitment letter. The servicer of the short sale checks everything. (you cannot be related to seller)

  • Olathe, KS · Member since 2019 · 18 posts · 2 votes
    3y

    Thank you for the feedback!

    We aren't looking to use it as a rental. We were told it had to be seen as an  investment because it was inside 50 miles from our primary residence.  Also being told I need 25% down, not 20. So not sure if that is just the lender saying that or if something else is pushing that extra 5%.

    By unlivable I mean the roof is damaged and leaks significantly, no appliances, standing water in basement and has foundation issues. We are looking to buy for the acerage and if the house is salvagable, we would consider it but we'd have to clean everything out first since it was used as a hoarding site it seems like. 

    Does the full 20% need to be non-gifted?

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    Lender · CA · Member since 2015 · 9k+ posts · 10k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Tyler Geisler:

    Thank you for the feedback!

    We aren't looking to use it as a rental. We were told it had to be seen as an  investment because it was inside 50 miles from our primary residence.  Also being told I need 25% down, not 20. So not sure if that is just the lender saying that or if something else is pushing that extra 5%.

    By unlivable I mean the roof is damaged and leaks significantly, no appliances, standing water in basement and has foundation issues. We are looking to buy for the acerage and if the house is salvagable, we would consider it but we'd have to clean everything out first since it was used as a hoarding site it seems like. 

    Does the full 20% need to be non-gifted?


     From what you said, this is almost certainly a cash deal.

    I do get emails from wholesale lenders once in a while about gift funds being useful for a rental property. But these aren't the discount wholesale lenders, these are the "we will do your crummy deal, but your client better not have any questions about the interest rate or fees" bucket of lenders. You might have some luck calling up a local mortgage broker and asking them to click through their email spam folder if it were JUST the gift fund thing... but a lender being lax there isn't also going to be lax regarding the below standards home itself. 

  • Lender · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2017 · 916 posts · 647 votes
    3y

    I agree with @Chris Mason. Sounds rural and delapedated. Very few lenders would consider this as a viable lending project. 

    The lenders I work with do not allow gift funds since its more risk to the lender as the borrower has less skin in the game. All parties need to have some risk. 

  • Olathe, KS · Member since 2019 · 18 posts · 2 votes
    3y

    Thanks to everyone for helping educate me here. Really appreciate it!

  • Rental Property Investor · Wake Forest, NC · Member since 2017 · 128 posts · 131 votes
    3y

    @Tyler Geisler I have used gift letters twice in the past. That’s the beauty of private lending sometimes. Shop around for a broker that will let you if you’re hitting a wall with your current - brokerages have different thresholds for “risk”, different minimum loan amounts, strategies they offer/specialize in.

    In regards to the down payment amount - if the house isn’t livable and you aren’t saying it’s going to be your primary, MOST lenders require at least a 25% down payment, if not more, for land deals. I’ve used a small local farm credit union, and even for them, it was tough to get 25%.

  • Lender · Washington DC · Member since 2015 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    3y

    Gift isn't the biggest problem. There is a house which is a standing hazard from what you describe. Can you get insurance to cover the risk of kids breaking in and nearly dying (probably not). Will the short sale servicer/lender approve you and how long will that take (months)? If you have the 20% PLUS gift letter only from family member and you can qualify full doc (with IRS returns) AND the loan is large enough not to be a High Cost (most have minimum loan amounts) there are some sources but it will be dear.  This is a hard money only deal- the exit strategy is to either scrape the lot and sell in 18 months or come up with the cash to rehab the house to meet current health and safety codes in 18 and then refinance.

  • Matthew CrivelliBusiness Member
    Lender · MA · Member since 2021 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    3y

    @Tyler Geisler

    Buy the house with a hard money rehab loan. Open up a new LLC and have the person gifting you the money come on as a minority member of the new entity. This would allow them to bring money to the table without having to sign or have credit pulled. In this case you would be using a short term loan so once you refi or sell the subject property the person who funded the deal would be completely out of the picture. Just an idea.

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  • Erik EstradaBusiness Member
    Lender · Member since 2022 · 6k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Tyler Geisler:

    Does anyone have a lender they recommend who is willing to work on a Short Sale deal where I would use some gift money as a portion of the down payment. The property is in KS and is less than 50 miles from my primary residence. We intend to use the acreage as a place to escape the city when we want but are finding it difficult to get lenders to accept the use of gift money. 

    The property has a house on it but it is unlivable in it's current state. 

    Any suggestions would be most appreciated!


     There are a few hard money lenders that can accept gift funds. 

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  • Nick BelskyBusiness Member
    Residential and Commercial Broker · Member since 2021 · 1k+ posts · 704 votes
    3y

    @Tyler Geisler

    Jet Mortgage will usually allow gift funds, even on an investment.  I believe they are a wholesale lender though, meaning you will need a broker to do a loan with them.

    https://jetmortgage.com/

    Check out https://findamortgagebroker.co... to find one.

    Cheers!

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  • Lender · Seattle, WA · Member since 2014 · 2k+ posts · 899 votes
    3y

    @Tyler Geisler- most  lenders will consider this a rental purchase and  all lenders  will not allow gift  funds  to be used and  most lenders  will require the house to be livable  

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