Question on Refi as part of BRRRR

Question on Refi as part of BRRRR

Real Estate Agent · Villa Rica, GA · Member since 2017 · 38 posts · 28 votes

Hello everyone! I am relatively new to the BP site, and I have to say I have been loving all the information and personal experiences available to learn from! I recently got my Realtor license, no deals just yet but a few in the works. I currently have one SFH rental.

I have a question regarding refinancing after renting a property.  Wouldn't the refi skew the rental numbers and income, as it would cause the mortgage payment to go up?

I currently have two properties, a primary and a rental. I am looking to sell the rental-tenants in place-to cash out. I then want to invest some of that money into my current home (new carpet, paint) to rent out. I would then like to refi my current home to go towards a new primary with the cash from the sale of the first property. However, in looking at the BRRRR method, wouldn't refinancing the home after renting skew the numbers and alter your profit? Am I missing something here?

Given that the home I want to refi is currently my primary, it seems to me that refinancing before we rent it would be an easier option, just because it's easier to refi a primary than a rental.  However, I am just curious how the added cost of the refi can be figured into the rental costs if you have not yet refinanced when you begin renting, as will be the case in our next rental.  Any thoughts/comments/input is greatly appreciated, thank you!

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Investor · Downers Grove, IL · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 955 votes
9y

welcome to bp @Jennifer Jacobs

Yes, you're absolutely correct. IF you can refinance and capture more of the equity, your monthly P&I will be higher. So that's a factor you need to decide if refinancing makes sense at all. And your monthly rent more than covers your P&I and other costs such as property taxes, insurance, CAPEX, vacancy, repair costs, management company etc.

You need to decide

1. What your ARV will be ?

2. How much equity will you have?

3. Using a 70% LTV, and check if the monthly rent will more than cover everything.

check out the brrrr calculator

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  • Investor · Downers Grove, IL · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 955 votes
    9y

    welcome to bp @Jennifer Jacobs

    Yes, you're absolutely correct. IF you can refinance and capture more of the equity, your monthly P&I will be higher. So that's a factor you need to decide if refinancing makes sense at all. And your monthly rent more than covers your P&I and other costs such as property taxes, insurance, CAPEX, vacancy, repair costs, management company etc.

    You need to decide

    1. What your ARV will be ?

    2. How much equity will you have?

    3. Using a 70% LTV, and check if the monthly rent will more than cover everything.

    check out the brrrr calculator

  • Real Estate Agent · Villa Rica, GA · Member since 2017 · 38 posts · 28 votes
    9y

    @Chris T.  Thank you!  So, you're saying that the possible refinancing would need to be figured in pre-purchase?  But how would that be done if you don't know the rate of the refi yet?

  • Investor · Downers Grove, IL · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 955 votes
    9y

    @Jennifer Jacobs

    You definitely want to talk to several lenders and inquire what they can and cannot do. They should be able to give you a rough estimate on your costs + interest, so you can estimate your monthly P&I. 

    If it's higher than what your projected rent is, then BRRRR might not be work for you for this specific property.

    It's usually the smaller banks and/or credit unions / community banks that can help you. 

  • Real Estate Agent · Villa Rica, GA · Member since 2017 · 38 posts · 28 votes
    9y

    @Chris T. thank you!

  • Investor · Grosse Pointe Shores, MI · Member since 2017 · 160 posts · 74 votes
    9y

    @Jennifer Jacobs Jennifer, yes your cash flow will decrease if your refinance with a loan greater than you have now.  But your Cash on Cash return should increase, because you have less of your money in the property. 

    The point of the refi is to take some of your equity out and put it to work in your next property.  You have to be careful that you leave enough in so that the original property will still have positive cash flow.

    The ideal situation is that you can take all of your original investment out, and end up with a property that is cash flowing for you with essentially none of your money in it so you can do it again.  That's the "repeat" part of the equation!

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