Should I Buy Apartment Building or more SRF - Interest Rate Fears

Should I Buy Apartment Building or more SRF - Interest Rate Fears

Investor · Newport Beach, CA · Member since 2012 · 129 posts · 102 votes

OK, I have built portfolio of SFR, duplex, triplex income producing properties, and I have been thinking of making the jump to buying apartment buildings. I listened to Grant Cardone's podcast and I like the idea of scale and easy financing of apartment buildings. Say I have another $500k to put into acquisitions - should I make the jump to buying apartments, or stick with SFR type properties?

Two words give me pause when considering making the jump to apartment buildings -- INTEREST RATES.

As a real estate lawyer, I have seen several of my clients get very, very rich buying apartments.  In virtually every case, they rode interest rates and cap rates down, which has a massively positive impact on value.  It almost goes without saying that cap rates have massive impact on value, but look at this example to see just how massive.

If you buy an apartment with $100k net annual cash flow at a 7% cap rate, and then cap rate decline to 4%, the asset you acquired for $1.42M increases in value to $2.5M without ever raising rents one penny.   So if you leveraged yourself and bought a portfolio of apartment buildings while cap rates are going down, voila, you are very wealthy.

Cap rates and interest rates are at historic lows for apartments, and it seems likely both will increase in future.  But research shows the correlation between cap and interest rates is imperfect, so lets assume over my projected five year hold interest rates go up but cap rates stay at these historic lows.  

Interest rates have almost as dramatic an impact on value as cap rates.  

Say I buy a $2M apartment building and use my $500k as down payment on this single building, financing $1.5M.   Let's say I get Freddie Mac financing as just a little worse than Grant Cardone talked about -- he got three point something but I get 4%.   My monthly debt service payment is $7,161.  Now assume I buy an apartment building today at 5 cap, which I think is about right.  That means that for a $2M asset I assume an un-leveraged return of $100k after expenses.  (Because my debt service is cheaper than my cap rate, the leverage created by my 75% financing should juice my return, but only slightly so let's ignore this.)  Point is, that $100k a year net cash flow should be more than enough to finance my debt service payment of $7,161/mo and $85,932 per year.

But now assume during my five year hold, Freddie Mac and other lender interest rates go from 4% to a more historic average of 8%.  That means for my end buyer in five years, assuming rents are about the same and cap rates are about the same, the asset would still be valued at $2M since it generates $100k of net cash flow.  BUT, my buyer's debt service for his new loan would be $11,006 per month or $132k per year.  Obviously, people don't pay $2M for an asset that they cannot finance, which is why no one except cash buyers would even consider buying this asset at $2M. (**see note below)  And their aren't many cash buyers in the apartment business.

My bottom line - if you think interest rates will increase over the coming years, as nearly everyone does, why in the world are all these smart people buying apartment buildings? Single family houses do not trade on cap rate, although some people buy them that way; they trade on competitive market analysis (i.e., what people paid for the house next door). So they are somewhat of a refuge against rising interest rates (admittedly rising rates keep some potential buyers out of the market, but there are extraordinary research studies that show, paradoxically, underlying house values often INCREASE during times of rising interest rates).   

So, all you smart BPers, what am I missing?  Should I be following Grant and others and get into apartment buildings as my next play, or should I believe the simple math above?

** note - I used unleveraged cap rates to simplify the example.  Apartment buildings often trade on cap rates calculated on a leveraged basis, i.e., rate of return on deposit rather than fully asset value.  But  the end result is the same -- rising interest rates for apartment debt directly reduces the market value of the asset.

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  • Investor · Waconia, MN · Member since 2014 · 238 posts · 104 votes
    11y
    Just wanted to bump this back up for Leonard L. As I was literally thinking this a few hours ago when an apartment in a great location near me just went on the market. I'd love to have it but that's a big jump and too much risk for me at this point in the game. Curious to hear the responses!
  • Real Estate Agent · Owasso, OK · Member since 2014 · 517 posts · 400 votes
    11y

    My plan to jump into apartments is for the true long term....10 year+ hold.  If you get financing through Freddie Mac...are you not able to get 10, 20 and even 30+ year financing so that you are not squeezed from the lender side with maturity dates, and therefore afforded time to ride out market lows and time your sale more favorably?

    I am asking...I certainly don't know.  You are about 5 years ahead of me so I am here to learn from your post.

  • Minneapolis, MN · Member since 2014 · 332 posts · 288 votes
    11y

    @Chris Simmons Most Fannie and Freddie loans have a maximum 10 year fixed rate.  A few select sponsors can now get 12 year fixed loans but that's it.  Nothing longer.

    It's difficult to get Fannie / Freddie loans until you are a little more established, so most people are stuck with 5 year bank loans as they build up the portfolio.

  • Minneapolis, MN · Member since 2014 · 332 posts · 288 votes
    11y

    @Leonard L. there is a long, trending discussion on this right now.  Might be worth a read.

    http://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/432/topics/178...

  • Visalia-Fresno, CA · Member since 2009 · 1k+ posts · 863 votes
    11y

    @Leonard L. Nice post, good thoughts.  We think a like.  Accumulating debt and assets is like a balanced shopping cart at the grocery store.  You don't want all junk food, all liquor or all vegetables.  Personally I have been working on acquiring a variety of income producing assets.


    Frank

  • Investor · Newport Beach, CA · Member since 2012 · 129 posts · 102 votes
    11y

    @Account Closed Thanks for the thread tip.  I had missed this.  Not a lot about specific impact of rising interest rates on apartment buildings though.  

  • Investor · Newport Beach, CA · Member since 2012 · 129 posts · 102 votes
    11y

    and specifically, whether I should put my next big bet on apartment building(s) or double down on single family.

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