How I made money and did good at the same time

How I made money and did good at the same time

Rental Property Investor · NJ · Member since 2019 · 66 posts · 44 votes

I wanted to take a moment to describe how I raised hundreds of thousand dollars, developed over 100 units with OPM (other people’s money) and feel good about it.

I am a circumspect introvert and often get trapped by my own thoughts. I could see how I personally would feel bad if I offered someone a low ball price or if they were going through a troubling time. I would naturally want to help that person. But this endeavor allowed me to do something I didn’t know I loved but would grow to love, make lots of money, and feel really good about it.

Long story short I was working at a nonprofit Organization and we started developing affordable housing. Here are some of the major benefits: our finders would often require a lot of what I call pre-development costs (appraisal, Phase I environmental, downpayment, architectural drawings, home inspection, State Historic Preservation Office ruling, etc.). These costs would run anywhere from $10,000-$25,000. However we secured a 0% predevelopment loan for up to $50k.

Then the acquisition of the property and construction cost was funded by the State with a 25% cash flow loan. The state wouldn’t fund up to 80% of the deal meaning we would have to find other sources to cover the remains 20%. This was completed through other grants either at the county, state, or federal government. Meaning no money out of our pocket.

Real life example:

10 unit building.

Acquisition and construction was $2.2 million, and my company made $150,000, without putting any money into the deal.

Plus on the operating side since it was "affordable", the rents would be around $110,000 and the operating costs (incl propert management, facilities management, taxes, insurance, annual painting, etc.) was around $70k, meaning our NOI (net operating income every year was $40k.

Typical Single Family Home:

$500,000 acquisition and construction. Our profit from developing the home was $40k and then we would also have annual cash flow.

I completed over a hundred units, raising literally hundreds of thousands of dollars in capital, and operating (project based rental assistance), made money, and housed people that desperately needed good affordable housing.

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Lititz, PA · Member since 2013 · 595 posts · 272 votes
7y

@Kevin Blanchard  Congrats on your endeavors.  I'd like to learn more about your models as I too am interested in affordable housing.  My questions are

1. how can a 10 unit building at a cost of $200,000 per unit can be profitable as affordable housing.  

2.  How can a sfh home at a cost of $500,000 be profitable as affordable housing?

3. What form of non-profit is your corporation?  I'm guessing you have to be a specific classification in order to attract the low/no interest loans and other grants, etc?

Thank you

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  • Real Estate Agent · Grand Junction, CO · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 736 votes
    7y

    Very interested in this @Kevin Blanchard. I just attended an affordable housing conference in our city last week. Our DOLA and Housing Authority are exploring how to encourage the construction of more multi and single family units. We talked in very vague terms about them acquiring the land somehow, or getting the City to discount fees, etc. But no specifics. If you would share some details I would pass them on. If you would be willing to email then send me a message with a colleague request please. 

  • Rental Property Investor · NJ · Member since 2019 · 66 posts · 44 votes
    7y

    @Teri S. There is actually a lot of money out there to develop affordable housing. There are federal funds that go down to a county (or sometimes a city level) . Funds include HOME, Neighborhood Stabilization Program, National Housing Trust Fund to name a few. There is also HUD McKinney Vento that is directed towards homeless individuals (which you could always do a set aside in a Multifamily if you don't want to do 100% homeless).

    We always stuck to 11 units or under because 12 units would trigger Davis Bacon (prevailing wage) which would increase the cost of construction by about 30% and thereby make the development not feasible. If you were going to do more than 11 units you would have to jump to at least 50 units (this may be specific to my area but I am not sure) and this could be funded through Low Income Housing Tax Credits (They have 4%, 9%, New Market, Historic). This program literally gives you $0.85-$0.98 towards the development and then you would bridge the gap with other funds as described above and with a commercial market rate loan.

  • Lititz, PA · Member since 2013 · 595 posts · 272 votes
    7y

    @Kevin Blanchard  Congrats on your endeavors.  I'd like to learn more about your models as I too am interested in affordable housing.  My questions are

    1. how can a 10 unit building at a cost of $200,000 per unit can be profitable as affordable housing.  

    2.  How can a sfh home at a cost of $500,000 be profitable as affordable housing?

    3. What form of non-profit is your corporation?  I'm guessing you have to be a specific classification in order to attract the low/no interest loans and other grants, etc?

    Thank you

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    7y

    its a nice niche …  I like the under 11 units I looked at a 120 unit project on land I owned.. but it simply did not pencil in any fashion..  the cheap tax benefit bonds in this state are limited and snapped up by the big boys before we get to them the next level of tax benefit bonds that we could get interest was too high.. and cost to do this was more in the range of 250k up front.. etc  etc etc.

  • Developer · NY/NJ/PA · Member since 2018 · 758 posts · 935 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:

    its a nice niche …  I like the under 11 units I looked at a 120 unit project on land I owned.. but it simply did not pencil in any fashion..  the cheap tax benefit bonds in this state are limited and snapped up by the big boys before we get to them the next level of tax benefit bonds that we could get interest was too high.. and cost to do this was more in the range of 250k up front.. etc  etc etc.

     Affordable housing is probably one of the most profitable projects you can do if you do it in certain markets. The key is to be in a state whose LIHTCs are worth close to 1:1 and find “cheap” land (unentitled). You have to build 50+ to afford all the expenses of building this way. Probably 100+ in cheaper markets. 9%’s in most markets are impossible, but 4% is readily available in certain markets. You also get to clip a reasonable developers fee and financing overall is much easier if you have experience. 

    These are meant to be long term holds thats a cash flow play with no equity in the deal once you get into your perm loan. 

    After my 32 unit gets built, my next ground up will be a 50+ unit affordable housing lihtc deal.  

  • Rental Property Investor · NJ · Member since 2019 · 66 posts · 44 votes
    7y

    @William Coet It is profitable by the fact that there is almost no money down or whatever money you do put down is rolled into the total development costs (which includes a one-time "developer fee" profit line). So on a $200k per unit development with total development cost of $2.2M I would somewhere around $150-$175k. Then there is also the ongoing cash flow. We secured grants for many of these developments and the loans we secured were cash flow loans, meaning that we would repay a certain portion of year end cash flow. Some of the programs were 50% cash flow, others 25% cash flow after expenses and debt servicing.

    Same thing with a SFH. It would cost about $500k, our profit would be about $30k and then ongoing cash flow. The cash flow wouldn't be a lot but it was basically a nice source of income while we beefed up our property and facilities management teams.

    The key for us was securing project based rental assistance. Think of this as section 8, however the rent stays with the building not the tenant.

    The non-profit was a 501 (c) 3 corporation.

  • Rental Property Investor · NJ · Member since 2019 · 66 posts · 44 votes
    7y

    @Jay Hinrichs The Tax Credits are definitely a monster into themselves.  It takes a lot of leg work but if you can make it work it is great. I have found that you need to couple the LIHTC with some type of grant and then the bank can come in. I have also known people that have deferred their developer fee to get the project approved. Then they take that developer fee as part of their cash flow and thereby reduce their overall cash flow loans. Another thing you would have to look at when doing LIHTC is the QAP. This basically tells you what your application will score. So if you were able to have land donated to you, your project would score higher. Or perhaps the QAP would score a certain % set aside of homeless higher than regular affordable units.

    Our state forces any new construction projects (SFH, MFH, Commercial, etc.) to pay a % towards a municipal affordable housing trust fund. That fund then goes towards the creation or preservation of affordable housing.

    In the past, I have worked with for profit developers who have an obligation to the municipality and they will sometimes give us cash or land or whatever towards the creation of affordable housing in order to meet their obligation.

    Also, the towns like us because if they have an approved affordable housing plan with us, meaning we are going to build x amount of units it that town it protects them against builder's remedy, where a for profit developer tries to jam their development down the Town's throat. For example, a developer that I became friends with attempted to build a 500 unit complex in a very rural town (I think the total population was only 2,000 people). My plan helped protect the town from a lawsuit.

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    7y

    @Kevin Blanchard  Like a said a niche for sure.. congrats on carving it out.

  • Real Estate Agent · Grand Junction, CO · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 736 votes
    7y

    Just curious @Kevin Blanchard - what state are you in?

  • Rental Property Investor · NJ · Member since 2019 · 66 posts · 44 votes
    7y

    @Teri S. New Jersey

  • Rental Property Investor · Glen Rock, NJ · Member since 2015 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    7y
    Kevin,

    Great story - thanks for sharing! What stroked me the most is the fact that you are putting people first and making money second. I'm a strong believer that whatever one does in life always comes back to them in larger quantities. So the folks you're serving must be grateful to have an affordable place to live, especially in such expensive state as NJ!
    Congrats!

    Originally posted by @Kevin Blanchard:

    @Teri S. New Jersey

  • Rental Property Investor · NJ · Member since 2019 · 66 posts · 44 votes
    7y

    @Alina Trigub thanks for your kind words. Yeah we have permanently housed people who are chronically homeless, veterans, victims of domestic violence, as well as other marginalized groups. I stumbled into it but have love it. It is extra rewarding in NJ where the price of a home and taxes are so overpriced! Plus it has helped me now grow my own portfolio of buy and hold properties.

  • Rental Property Investor · Glen Rock, NJ · Member since 2015 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    7y
    Kevin,
    That's phenomenal! You should share your messages with the masses. I'm also in NJ and run local meetups. Feel free to reach out if you'd like to share your story with others. 

    Originally posted by @Kevin Blanchard:

    @Alina Trigub thanks for your kind words. Yeah we have permanently housed people who are chronically homeless, veterans, victims of domestic violence, as well as other marginalized groups. I stumbled into it but have love it. It is extra rewarding in NJ where the price of a home and taxes are so overpriced! Plus it has helped me now grow my own portfolio of buy and hold properties.

  • Lititz, PA · Member since 2013 · 595 posts · 272 votes
    7y

    @Kevin Blanchard Thanks for your feedback.  What is the monthly rental on the 10-unit and the single family home?  

  • Rental Property Investor · NJ · Member since 2019 · 66 posts · 44 votes
    7y

    @William Coet Depends on what county it is in and bedroom distribution, but we could be looking at $2k/mo for a 4-bedroom SFH, and about $10k/mo for a 10-11 unit building. These rents are market rate rents in the area.

  • Lititz, PA · Member since 2013 · 595 posts · 272 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Kevin Blanchard:

    @William Coet Depends on what county it is in and bedroom distribution, but we could be looking at $2k/mo for a 4-bedroom SFH, and about $10k/mo for a 10-11 unit building. These rents are market rate rents in the area.

     Pardon my questions, but I am confused by the math.  I know you mentioned using grants for the 20% down.For a 500k home, that leaves 420k to be financed.  420k financed at 30 years is approximately a $2,000 monthly payment (equal to the rent).  This leaves nothing for taxes (which are high in NJ, maintenance/management, and insurance).

    Please correct me if I am missing something.

    Thanks!

  • Rental Property Investor · NJ · Member since 2019 · 66 posts · 44 votes
    7y

    @William Coet In this instance the 420k is a cash flow loan, not a bank loan.  Plus, no taxes! Or perhaps I should say I secure PILOTs on all these developments.

  • Developer · NY/NJ/PA · Member since 2018 · 758 posts · 935 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @William Coet:
    Originally posted by @Kevin Blanchard:

    @William Coet Depends on what county it is in and bedroom distribution, but we could be looking at $2k/mo for a 4-bedroom SFH, and about $10k/mo for a 10-11 unit building. These rents are market rate rents in the area.

     Pardon my questions, but I am confused by the math.  I know you mentioned using grants for the 20% down.For a 500k home, that leaves 420k to be financed.  420k financed at 30 years is approximately a $2,000 monthly payment (equal to the rent).  This leaves nothing for taxes (which are high in NJ, maintenance/management, and insurance).

    Please correct me if I am missing something.

    Thanks!

     Many times on new construction ground up you can also get tax abatements or like Kevin mentioned a PILOT

  • Lititz, PA · Member since 2013 · 595 posts · 272 votes
    7y

    I'm surprised the government will fund a 500k sfh build.  Why are they willing to do this?

  • Rental Property Investor · NJ · Member since 2019 · 66 posts · 44 votes
    7y

    @William Coet there are a variety of reasons at play and interestingly enough for the past 2 years or so I am getting $700k per SFH partially because they changed some of the regulations specifically for people with developmental disabilities where they now want the SFH to have Fire Suppression systems and sprinklers as well as ADA requirements.

    There was a few lawsuits in NJ that have really helped make affordable housing possible. First, there was a lawsuit on behalf of people living with mental illness as wee as those with a developmental disability. Basically these individuals were housed at State hospitals for life. They did studies and found that many of these individuals could be in a less restrictive environment and at less cost. So they closed down a few hospitals with the goal to house these people in the community with support services (think of group homes or supervised living). All the money from the closure of the hospitals was directed towards SFH development for these groups.

    Second, there was another lawsuit that provided every NJ resident should be able to live in decent affordable housing and this led to the creation of a fee that was tacked onto every new commercial or residential development.

    Finally, the State took out a $200M bond that also assisted in providing affordable and special needs housing. The governor that enacted this law happened to have family that were special needs.

    There are also funds from HUD designated towards housing homeless. So there are a lot of resources and will from all levels of government wanting to develop affordable and special needs housing.

  • Developer · Cincinnati, OH · Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Kevin Blanchard:

    I wanted to take a moment to describe how I raised hundreds of thousand dollars, developed over 100 units with OPM (other people’s money) and feel good about it.

    I am a circumspect introvert and often get trapped by my own thoughts. I could see how I personally would feel bad if I offered someone a low ball price or if they were going through a troubling time. I would naturally want to help that person. But this endeavor allowed me to do something I didn’t know I loved but would grow to love, make lots of money, and feel really good about it.

    Long story short I was working at a nonprofit Organization and we started developing affordable housing. Here are some of the major benefits: our finders would often require a lot of what I call pre-development costs (appraisal, Phase I environmental, downpayment, architectural drawings, home inspection, State Historic Preservation Office ruling, etc.). These costs would run anywhere from $10,000-$25,000. However we secured a 0% predevelopment loan for up to $50k.

    Then the acquisition of the property and construction cost was funded by the State with a 25% cash flow loan. The state wouldn’t fund up to 80% of the deal meaning we would have to find other sources to cover the remains 20%. This was completed through other grants either at the county, state, or federal government. Meaning no money out of our pocket.

    Real life example:

    10 unit building.

    Acquisition and construction was $2.2 million, and my company made $150,000, without putting any money into the deal.

    Plus on the operating side since it was "affordable", the rents would be around $110,000 and the operating costs (incl propert management, facilities management, taxes, insurance, annual painting, etc.) was around $70k, meaning our NOI (net operating income every year was $40k.

    Typical Single Family Home:

    $500,000 acquisition and construction. Our profit from developing the home was $40k and then we would also have annual cash flow.

    I completed over a hundred units, raising literally hundreds of thousands of dollars in capital, and operating (project based rental assistance), made money, and housed people that desperately needed good affordable housing.

     This is awesome Kevin.

    As always say - you can do well by doing good.

    Congratulations on your success!

  • Lititz, PA · Member since 2013 · 595 posts · 272 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Kevin Blanchard:

    @William Coet there are a variety of reasons at play and interestingly enough for the past 2 years or so I am getting $700k per SFH partially because they changed some of the regulations specifically for people with developmental disabilities where they now want the SFH to have Fire Suppression systems and sprinklers as well as ADA requirements.

    There was a few lawsuits in NJ that have really helped make affordable housing possible. First, there was a lawsuit on behalf of people living with mental illness as wee as those with a developmental disability. Basically these individuals were housed at State hospitals for life. They did studies and found that many of these individuals could be in a less restrictive environment and at less cost. So they closed down a few hospitals with the goal to house these people in the community with support services (think of group homes or supervised living). All the money from the closure of the hospitals was directed towards SFH development for these groups.

    Second, there was another lawsuit that provided every NJ resident should be able to live in decent affordable housing and this led to the creation of a fee that was tacked onto every new commercial or residential development.

    Finally, the State took out a $200M bond that also assisted in providing affordable and special needs housing. The governor that enacted this law happened to have family that were special needs.

    There are also funds from HUD designated towards housing homeless. So there are a lot of resources and will from all levels of government wanting to develop affordable and special needs housing.

    I'm still confused, and maybe a bit more so.  Why is the government funding 700k single family homes, when the same could be accomplished for much less?

  • Real Estate Professional · Park Ridge, NJ · Member since 2014 · 42 posts · 6 votes
    7y

    I'm find this post very intriguing as I and many people in New Jersey are facing more and more cases of over-development in order to satisfy COAH requirements and avoid builders remedy lawsuits.  I'd be interested in hearing more about the details off-line and how you made the numbers pencil.  

  • Rental Property Investor · NJ · Member since 2019 · 66 posts · 44 votes
    7y

    @John Yarenis PM message me and I would be happy to talk to you further.

  • Jacksonville, FL · Member since 2018 · 20 posts · 11 votes
    4y

    Hey Kevin! Thanks for the post. Where would you suggest someone go to to learn more about developing affordable housing?

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