Owner Paying Utilities - Want to Change to Tenant Pays Utilities

Owner Paying Utilities - Want to Change to Tenant Pays Utilities

Washington, Washington D.C. · Member since 2012 · 66 posts · 15 votes

I found what seems to be a pretty decent 4 unit 2br/1ba quad-plex with great numbers. Its listed at near 150k, but I think I could get that down to mid-$130k given that the property has been on the market for a while and has gone through a few price reductions. The properties are currently pulling in about $700 each and they’re all rented, with leases expiring within the next 4 months. It is an older property, but even figuring in a higher maintenance number and property management, the cash flow would be somewhere in the neighborhood of $10k+ a year.

The Catch: the real estate company that currently owns it tells me today that they property pays for all utilities. They send me a spreadsheet of the utilities, and utilities alone are averaging out to be close to $9,000 a year! This includes electric, gas, and water/sewage. This would almost completely wipe out my positive cash flow.

I looked on craigslist, and it looks like most other properties in this area charge at least gas and electric to the tenants (and charge similar or slightly higher rents). My question is, given that the leases are up soon, I want to try to reposition the property to 700/mo. with utilities not included. Given that the cash flow would barely be positive without this maneuver, what would some seasoned investor’s approach be to taking on this property? I figure even if I dropped rent to $650 and charged them for utilities, I would still be making more than the current situation.

As a small sidenote, I think it’s a poor approach from a social aspect to pay for tenant utilities. This gives them the mentality that "oh im not paying for it, ill leave the AC at 62 for 4 of the hottest months of the summer." If they have to foot the bill, I bet they'd be thinking twice about reckless utility wastage. Good for the environment, and your cash flow!

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  • Residential Landlord · Indianapolis, IN · Member since 2010 · 592 posts · 138 votes
    14y

    I agree it is best to have tenants pay for their own utilities so they are in control of their costs. The first thing to check is whether the units are sub-metered, if they are not, you have to factor the cost for that work into your investment. I would expect most of the current tenants to leave if you switch to them paying for their own utilities without a rent reduction, so you will have to budget for one of those options. Other than that, I think you have a good opportunity to add value by changing how you handle the utilities.

  • Investor · Southeast, MI · Member since 2012 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    14y

    Does this property have seperate electric meters and gas meters? This is why I prefer single family over multi family. There's way less headaches.

    I purchased a duplex once. It had seperate electric meters and the tenants paid their own electricity. It had two furnaces, but they were on one gas meter. The tenants had free heat and free water. The city wouldn't seperate the water, but I had the gas company seperate the gas. I had two extra gas meters installed, for a total of three. One for each furnace, and a third one for the water heater. I figured if one of the tenants had their gas turned off, at least the other tenant would have hot water.

    I would first check and see how many furnaces and water heaters this property has. Also, if you plan on seperating the meters, find out how much they charge. I was charged a total of $700 and I was responsible for all of the inside piping. They had to move the meter about 30 feet because there wasn't enough room for them in the previous location. I also had to deal with the "engineer" from the gas company. He was as sharp as a marble. I gave this clown specific dates of when I would be out of town. He agreed he would do the job before I left or after I got back. Of course, they moved all of the gas meters while I was in New Orleans and my tenants had hot water. I had to call the gas company and tell them I need gas hooked up NOW. They ran a temporary copper line to hook it all up. I have that line in my garage. I imagine 30 feet of 3/4 inch copper is worth some $ these days. I should sell it.

  • Washington, Washington D.C. · Member since 2012 · 66 posts · 15 votes
    14y

    Yes, I believe the meters are already separated because the utility bills I received show amounts for each of the 4 units (except for the water). When the leases expire, I am planning on putting the rents to $750 (to cover water) and having the tenants pay for their own utilities.

    Has anyone had experience with something like this? I think this is a good lesson as to why the 2% rule/CAP rate exercises are just preliminary tests you can run on a property. The CAP rate still shows 9%, but having leases where you have to pay all utilities for potentially 8 people would kill the CAP rate.

    This is potentially going to be my first purchase (I have yet to see the inside of any of the units, but I am guessing if they are paying $700/mo that they cant be in terrible shape). I am going to check out the building within the next week to see how it looks.

  • Joel OwensBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Broker · Canton, GA · Member since 2010 · 15k+ posts · 11k+ votes
    14y

    Don't assume anything.This deal sounds very marginal at best.

    Utilities paid by landlord and deferred maintenance of a property can wipe out cash flow for years on a property.

    This is fine if you are a professional making tons of money and wanting a tax shelter only and future appreciation .If you want to grow your money and have cash flow then this is not optimal.

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