Is this a good deal? I have to make a decision by tomorrow!

Is this a good deal? I have to make a decision by tomorrow!

Rental Property Investor · Springdale, AR · Member since 2019 · 28 posts · 7 votes

Hello, I'm relatively new to investing in rental property and have a potential prospect that' I'm under contract for. I am at the end of my due diligence timeframe and have to make a decision by the end of the day or early tomorrow. Here's the link to the property in question: 810 S Nettleton Ave, Springfield, MO 65806

The seller has agreed to sell it for $75,000.

The property is currently rented for $520 (unit A) and $420 (unit B) needs about $13,000 in upfront costs to  fix up. Once the units become vacant, I'll need to put in about $10,000 more, so I'm looking at about $23,000 in total rehab costs.

If I ran my numbers currectly, I think that if I were to raise the unit B's rent up to $520 then it would be grossing $1,040 after all the rehabbing is done. Does this sound like a good deal? Any advice would be MUCH appreciated!

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Investor · Springfield, MO · Member since 2012 · 320 posts · 115 votes
7y

@Aaron Lancaster this is blunt and to the point (which may seem harsh, but truthful)

No is the answer to your question.

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  • Rental Property Investor · Springdale, AR · Member since 2019 · 28 posts · 7 votes
    7y

    List of repairs needed and estimated cost:

    Roach Treatement$60ImmediateBoth Units
    Leaky Faucets$69Immediate Unit A kitchen sink and bathroom sink are leaking
    Soffit/Fascia$975Immediate Quote received for this amount
    Filters$120 Probalby haven't been replaced in 11 years.
    Tree Limbs$700 Tree limbs overhang structure
    Kitchen Sink$69 Doesn't drain in Unit B and disposal doesn't work in either unit.
    Water Heater$69 Water heater overflow pipe should be installed for safety reasons
    Flue/Exhaust Pipe$69 Flue has displaced from draft diverter and permitting exhaust products to enter home.
    Mold Remediation$500Behind toilet
    Replace Toilet$500 It is leaking causing the mold
    Windows$288 All windows are original and in marginal condition. At least one window is broken. All will require ongoing maintenance unless replaced.
    Range/Stove$800 Is in disrepair and is not safe in current condition. Missing knobs, only one panel works
    Front Door$150 Unit A front door jammed. Lock doesn't secure door.
    Damaged Subfloor$720
    Flooring$5,500
    Paint$500
    Tub Handle$700 Unit A tub handle is missing and in disrepair
    Water Closet$25 Rusted out and needs replacement
    Missing Doors$300 At least 2 doors are missing and at least 2 are damaged w/ holes
  • Austin, TX · Member since 2019 · 5k+ posts · 5k+ votes
    7y

    Hi Aaron,

    $100 a month bump to the resident in Unit-B might cause a move out. You might have a cost to turn the unit for a new renter? Repaint, vacancy time, etc... 

    Just my thoughts on cash flow.

    Good Luck!

  • Irvine, CA · Member since 2016 · 545 posts · 614 votes
    7y

    @Aaron Lancaster Question regarding raising the rent on Unit B $100 per month, What is causing Unit B to be that much lower than Unit A? Is there a big difference in interior layout, finishes, appliances, etc. a $100 difference per unit on a duplex should be defined for the reason.

    In regards to the $1,040 Gross rent, that number is irrelevant, The amount of rent that goes to your Net bottom line is what matters. because you're dealing with small numbers for a Duplex, you have to look at this deal as to when will you make your out-of-pocket money back?

    Is this a cash purchase of financed? At what point in the cycle do you get your $23,000 in rehab cost and your 20% down payment or $75k cash purchase cost back? Keep in mind there is no true Cash Flow until all of your initial investment has been paid back from the Net Cash Flow. 

    Run your numbers and let us know at what point in the cycle to you break-even and start making money, Is it in year 3, year 5, or what?

    Looking forward to hearing your response. 

  • Rental Property Investor · St. Petersburg, FL · Member since 2017 · 3k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    7y

    @Aaron Lancaster I look at it like this... you have a property that you'll be all in for just over $100k, renting for about $1000/mo.

    How are you financing this? In my area, this deal would be pretty tight and I have no interested in dealing with units renting for so little. It would be a pass from me for those reasons.

  • Rental Property Investor · Sacramento, CA · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 893 votes
    7y

    @Aaron Lancaster I don't know that market, but considering those rents I would offer substantially less, or maybe just pass on the deal. Is this off market? You better edit your post and take the address off in case anyone wants to compete with you for this deal lol.

    Honestly, if your 23k rehab estimate is accurate I would say you offer 40k max for this thing considering how low these rents are. I would personally aim to buy this for no more than 30k myself.

  • Investor · Springfield, MO · Member since 2012 · 320 posts · 115 votes
    7y

    @Aaron Lancaster this is blunt and to the point (which may seem harsh, but truthful)

    No is the answer to your question.

  • Rental Property Investor · Sacramento, CA · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 893 votes
    7y

    @Aaron Lancaster some notes on your rehab estimates:

    The roach treatment sounds cheap, even for a single treatment. repeat treatments are often required as well.

    You could probably find a guy to do the tree work a bit cheaper, depending on the extent.

    The toilet and mold combo sounds high. You can have someone knock that out for 300 bucks combined.

    Those windows are gonna cost you WAY more money than you think, that's a painful lesson I've learned from experience.

    A nice, clean, used range can be had from an appliance reseller for 250-300 delivered, easy.

    Front door may very well cost you more if you replace the whole thing.

    Save some money on the flooring, 5500 is a lot of money for $500 rent/unit

    700 for a tub handle??? My contract just replaced a handleset and adjusted the water pressure for me for 100.

    Curious, how are you estimating your rehab costs for this property? Are you local or out of state? Do you have a management company that can help you?

  • Flipper/Rehabber · Springfield, MO · Member since 2014 · 114 posts · 67 votes
    7y

    Hi @Aaron Lancaster,

    I'm pretty familiar with that street/area. It's now a war zone or the worst street in town but it is far from the best. Depending on how you plan to finance it, your cashflow will be tight. Here are the generalized numbers if you refinanced 100% at $100,000:

    Rent                $1,040 (assuming you can raise the rent to $520 both sides)

    Taxes                    $60 ($722.30 for 2018, this will increase)

    Ins                      ~$75 (estimate - would need to get a quote)

    P.M.                   $104 (assuming you will have management if you aren't local)

    Maint.               $104 (putting a minimum of 10% aside for a rainy day)

    Cashflow          $697 (before debt service)

    Debt service    $688 ($100,000, 20 yrs, 5.5% -good rate for the area)

    Net Cashflow       $9

    These are the numbers we use to analyze cashflow alone, everyone's will be different. 

    There a ton of better deals out there, especially if this will be your first investment. One slightly major repair or a turnover/eviction could wipe out your cashflow and maintenance for the whole year. I agree with @Casey Mericle, it's not a good deal.

    Hope this helps! Let me know if I can help you in any way.

  • Rental Property Investor · Durham, NC · Member since 2016 · 7k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    7y

    @Jason DiClemente. I would pass on this for the reasons Jason mentioned.

    You’re spending 100k for a property that maybe grosses 1000.

    Low rents are fine but you better be getting it at 2 or even 3 percent rule, type ratios

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