Is the relationship between cap rates and interest rates broken?

Is the relationship between cap rates and interest rates broken?

Rental Property Investor · Fremont, CA · Member since 2018 · 122 posts · 104 votes
Savvy apartment Real Estate Investors know that the most common benchmark for measuring returns and gauging pricing for commercial real estate is the cap rate. The cap rate is the annual return that investors receive on their investment before the use of Leverage, i.e debt. if you look back in the numbers for the last five or six decades, there is no doubt that cap rates go up when interest rates go up. However, there are a large number of myths involved, when considering the connection between cap rates and interest rates. Firstly, people believe that if interest rates go up by 1 Point, let's say from 5% to 6%, then cap rates must go up by 1%. As far as I know, this has never happened. While it has been reasonable to assume, at least in the past, that rising interest rates would lead to an increased cap rate, it is never a one-to-one ratio. Back in the 80s, when interest rates were as high as 18 to 21%, cap rates were still single digits. This despite the fact that financing for multifamily properties was harder to get in the 80s then it is today. Cap rates did rise back in the 80s when interest rates rose, they just did not rise in a one-to-one ratio. Today, it's more reasonable to assume that if interest rates go up by 1%, cap rates might go up by 0.1% to 0.2%. That's a better rule of thumb. Having said that, let's look at what's really happened in the past 4 years. The Federal Reserve started to threaten that they would raise interest rates in the 2014 time frame. They finally did start raising rates and at this point have raised them about a half a dozen times. And have provided clear indications of at least four further increases in 2019 and 2020. And what has happened to cap rates in areas such as multifamily? There has been absolutely no evidence that cap rates have increased whatsoever during that time frame. There is very strong evidence that cap rates have continued to decline over the last two-and-a-half years, while the Federal Reserve raised interest rates. This has happened in the class A, the class B and The Class C markets. It has happened across the board in all of the top 50 metros in the United States. While there are isolated examples of certain metros such as New York seeing increases in cap rates, it is also very clear that those increases were tied to large amounts of incoming Supply, not tied to increases in interest rates. So, looking at the evidence, it is clear that cap rates are not obeying the rules of interest rates, or the rules of money, at least so far in this cycle. for the rest of this post, I'm going to speculate on why this has happened. I start off by saying that this is speculation. However it is backed by a number of monetary policy articles from both real estate professionals as well as Finance professionals. Here is why I think that the relationship between interest rates and cap rates has been broken, and may remain broken for at least a decade. To recover from the 2008 recession, the United States Federal Reserve launched an extensive program called quantitative easing. Under this program, the Federal Reserve increased liquidity in the market by over 4.3 trillion dollars. Other central banks in the world followed suit, and the European Central Bank, Japanese Central Bank and the Chinese Central Bank also printed trillions of dollars and injected liquidity into the financial Marketplace. This liquidity, which was introduced through the central banks buying bonds and mortgages, was supposed to be temporary. Unfortunately, it has been anything but temporary. At this point, ten Years After the 2008 crisis, only the United States Federal Reserve has withdrawn any of this liquidity from the market. Of our 4.3 trillion dollars, we have withdrawn a puny 300 billion dollars. At the current rate it would take us over 10 years to withdraw all of our liquidity. And keep in mind, this is only a fraction of the worldwide liquidity injection. The European Central Bank and the Japanese Central Bank have not even given any indication as to whether they will withdraw this liquidity at any point in the future. So why does this liquidity matter? and why is it part of a discussion about the relationship between cap rates and interest rates? Well, because these trillions of dollars are looking for yield. Money, once created as debt, races around the globe looking for yield, looking for profit. As central banks cut interest rates around the world, the inflation-adjusted yield for money turned negative. In fact, in countries such as Switzerland, if you buy a 10-year Government Bond, you do not get interest on it. Shockingly, you pay the government for the privilege of lending the money. While our Federal Reserve has raised rates somewhat, no one else in the world has bothered to do it. So we have this unprecedented situation of having over 13 trillion dollars worth of bonds worldwide that are at zero yield, or negative yield if you adjust for inflation. This money is desperately looking for yield. Pension funds worldwide that hold such bonds are at risk of bankruptcy. They are changing, morphing, even breaking their own rules to invest this money into risk assets such as real estate. This Is Why Real Estate assets around the world have gone up. Many people in the United States think that multifamily real estate is in a bubble. Have you looked at Singapore, Hong Kong, Canada or London real estate? Those pricing increases make our market look positively subdued. This despite the fact that of all of the economies just mentioned, the United States is easily the most functional, the most liquid and has the strongest foundation of growth. After all, only our Federal Reserve has been brave enough to raise interest rates, no one else has. That is because we have the strongest economy in the developed world today. this is why money from those zero yield bonds has been flowing into the United States, and flowing into commercial real estate. As these trillions of dollars flow in, they are warping, even destroying the relationship between cap rates and interest rates. This is why we have seen 6-7 interest rates hikes, with declining cap rates. This is because that money can still get double-digit yields in the United States, where it gets zero yield if invested in bonds. Why would money managers for large funds care that cap rates are declining while interest rates are increasing, if they can make 10% on their money? This doesn't mean that cap rates can continue to go down infinitely. In fact if you look at the latest reports, it appears that cap rates have plateaued for the moment. However, as the demand for apartments goes up and new construction gets hit Harder by the higher interest rates, it is likely that cap rates could resume their downward trend. until the world figures out how to get the trillion-dollar liquidity genie back in the bottle, the rules of money may remain perverted. What do you think? Does this explain why cap rates continue to decline, when they shouldn't be?
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Brian BurkePro Member
Investor · Santa Rosa, CA · Member since 2012 · 2k+ posts · 7k+ votes
7y

Years ago you would hear the officiant at weddings call out during the ceremony, "if anyone has any reason why these two shouldn't be bonded by holy matrimony, speak now or forever hold your peace."  

Well, the reason why cap rates and interest rates shouldn't be married is because the marriage is formed on illegitimate grounds.  Therefore, I object!

The illegitimacy is that people commonly (even in the OP here) think that cap rate is in some way a measure of your return.  It isn't.  Even on an all-cash purchase, cap rate is not a measure of your return.  Cap rate is only a numerical thermostat to quantify what buyers in the market for a specific type of property are willing to pay.  Because income property, even similar properties, differ in so many ways, a formula was needed to provide a quantifiable measurement of buyer sentiment.  The answer to this need is Cap Rate.

So if cap rate is not a measurement of return, then it shouldn't be related to interest rates at all.  But wait a minute...interest rates do affect the cost of debt, and the cost of debt does impact returns.  Therefore, interest rates have some measurable impact on the value of income-producing real estate.  And that alteration of value moves cap rates, because it must, given that cap rate is simply a mathematical result of dividing the income produced by the property by its value.  So, if interest rates go up, the cost of debt goes up, the property is worth less, and thus the cap rate goes up.  But it isn't a point-for-point move.  The move only needs to be large enough to bring the investor's return back to where it was when debt costed less.

But there are many other things that impact return.  Not the least of which is rent growth.  Rent growth is driven by supply and demand and wage growth adds a bit of gas to that fire.  

So investors are willing to buy properties at low cap rates because rent and occupancy growth are driving their returns.  If that stopped happening, you could see cap rates rise even if interest rates fall.

So my opinion, for what it's worth, is that cap rates and interest rates are dating, in an on-again, off-again relationship.  They should not ever get married.

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  • Rental Property Investor · Miami, FL · Member since 2015 · 179 posts · 292 votes
    7y

    Very interesting Neal. Thanks for providing your insights on this topic. 

  • Rental Property Investor · RVA · Member since 2016 · 5k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    7y

    Interesting analysis & lessons Neal. I believe the Fed should have started raising rates years before they did, but that's neither here nor there. I doubt they'll have time to raise significantly before the next recession comes and they're asked to lower rates back to zero or lower.

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    Real Estate Agent · Washington, D.C. · Member since 2012 · 17k+ posts · 30k+ votes
    7y

    Dont fall into a post hoc ergo proctor hoc logical fallacy with interest rates.

    Interest rates are driven by inflation. The value of the underlying asset and its rent are material participants in inflation. The value of the assets rising (along with other metric prices rising) then is what causes interest rates to rise, as opposed to interest rates causing asset prices to change.

  • Rental Property Investor · Plano, TX · Member since 2016 · 65 posts · 54 votes
    7y

    I think this is more of a math problem.  Interest rates are not in any part of the cap rate equation. While there might be some correlation between the two - it would be unwise to assume any causation. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Portland OR · Member since 2018 · 2k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    7y

    I am not a pro nor do I have a lot of experience. However i was taught that as in SFH rising Interest rates puts downward pressure on pricing. Therefore as Int rates rise Cap rates will go up too. This has been historically true but now seems to be broken

    If you dissagree please explain why 

  • Rental Property Investor · Charlottesville, VA · Member since 2012 · 1k+ posts · 726 votes
    7y

    @Neal Bawa I would sum this up by saying 'buyers be crazy'. Cap rate should be exactly correlated to interest rates assuming supply and demand are held constant.  That is not true in today's market. Demand has risen by a huge amount because everyone is convinced that multi-family is a bulletproof asset.

    If interest rates rise but their is more demand/competition for the properties cap rate could remain the same or even drop. Too many buyers and possibly even too many inexperienced buyers.

    Also, not to ignore the supply side, despite a lot of construction, there is still a shortage of new construction in many areas.

    One final contributing factor I would site is the increasing use of multiple years of IO (Interest Only). That makes deals work at a lower cap rate even though the interest rates rise. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Braselton, GA · Member since 2013 · 119 posts · 36 votes
    7y

    Excellent information @Neal Bawa.  Does anyone know where you can find this type of historical information on the relationship of interest rates and cap rates? 

  • Brian BurkePro Member
    Investor · Santa Rosa, CA · Member since 2012 · 2k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    7y

    Years ago you would hear the officiant at weddings call out during the ceremony, "if anyone has any reason why these two shouldn't be bonded by holy matrimony, speak now or forever hold your peace."  

    Well, the reason why cap rates and interest rates shouldn't be married is because the marriage is formed on illegitimate grounds.  Therefore, I object!

    The illegitimacy is that people commonly (even in the OP here) think that cap rate is in some way a measure of your return.  It isn't.  Even on an all-cash purchase, cap rate is not a measure of your return.  Cap rate is only a numerical thermostat to quantify what buyers in the market for a specific type of property are willing to pay.  Because income property, even similar properties, differ in so many ways, a formula was needed to provide a quantifiable measurement of buyer sentiment.  The answer to this need is Cap Rate.

    So if cap rate is not a measurement of return, then it shouldn't be related to interest rates at all.  But wait a minute...interest rates do affect the cost of debt, and the cost of debt does impact returns.  Therefore, interest rates have some measurable impact on the value of income-producing real estate.  And that alteration of value moves cap rates, because it must, given that cap rate is simply a mathematical result of dividing the income produced by the property by its value.  So, if interest rates go up, the cost of debt goes up, the property is worth less, and thus the cap rate goes up.  But it isn't a point-for-point move.  The move only needs to be large enough to bring the investor's return back to where it was when debt costed less.

    But there are many other things that impact return.  Not the least of which is rent growth.  Rent growth is driven by supply and demand and wage growth adds a bit of gas to that fire.  

    So investors are willing to buy properties at low cap rates because rent and occupancy growth are driving their returns.  If that stopped happening, you could see cap rates rise even if interest rates fall.

    So my opinion, for what it's worth, is that cap rates and interest rates are dating, in an on-again, off-again relationship.  They should not ever get married.

  • Rental Property Investor · Northville, MI · Member since 2015 · 179 posts · 92 votes
    7y

    @Neal Bawa Thank You for that information - very helpful.

  • Rental Property Investor · Plano, TX · Member since 2016 · 65 posts · 54 votes
    7y

    Once again I'll have to reinforce that although interest rates have an effect on the cost of debt - the cost of debt is not in the cap rate calculation.  If you pay 3% or 12% for the debt it does not mater. The amount of debt via the purchase price is what is used in the calculation.  While there is a "correlation between the two variables [that] is not a perfect 1.0, but rather a more moderate 0.7." one should not make the assumption the two drive each other.

    There is a good article here: Real estate: The impact of rising interest rates

    In summary it comes to the conclusion: 

    "More importantly, historical data show that changes in Treasury yields do not necessarily result in changes in cap rates. Even assuming lags between interest rate and cap rate changes, analysis found no statistically significant relationship between the two variables.

    These findings confirm that cap rates are influenced by a wider network of variables beyond interest rates, including real estate fundamentals, capital flows and investor risk appetite."

    Hope that helps.

  • Investor · Charlotte, NC · Member since 2017 · 791 posts · 479 votes
    7y

    @Neal Bawa thanks for your insight.

  • Member since 2020 · 18 posts · 8 votes
    6y

    If we want to compare cap rates to interest rates they should be compared to real interest rates rather than nominal interest rates because the property being held provides a hedge against inflation.

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