I won a HUD bid for a "203k eligible" condo - no FHA loan??!

I won a HUD bid for a "203k eligible" condo - no FHA loan??!

Member since 2018 · 5 posts · 1 vote

The condo was advertised by HUD as IN (insured) and as "203k eligible".

I won the bid, and now I have trouble finding a reliable lender who would originate an FHA loan.

Every mortgage broker I spoke with so far told me that I cannot get an FHA loan because the condo is located in an HOA who is not FHA approved.

However, I called the HUD directly and they emailed me info where it is explained exactly how one could do a loan in a condominium project that is not FHA approved.

Here is a straight quote from their email"

"To be eligible for FHA insurance a condominium project must meet all condominium requirements and be approved by FHA or an unconditionally approved Direct Endorsement lender, as outlined in Mortgagee Letter (ML) 11-22, ML 12-18, ML 15-27 and ML 16-15.

FHA case numbers cannot be requested unless the project is approved. Expired, withdrawn or projects exceeding the FHA concentration percentage will not have case numbers assigned.

Exceptions to this requirement are for FHA-to-FHA streamline refinance transactions, HUD Real Estate Owned (REO) transactions, and those projects meeting the site condominium definition and requirements."

I feel like the condo I bid for does qualify as a "HUD Real Estate Owned (REO) transaction".

What do you think? 

This is my first ever real estate transaction, and although I've done a lot of reading, I feel completely unprepared.

Any advise would be greatly appreciated.

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Russell BrazilBusiness Member
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Real Estate Agent · Washington, D.C. · Member since 2012 · 17k+ posts · 30k+ votes
7y

You will need to use a lender without internal overlays. @Upen Patel might be able to help.

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  • Lender · Chicago, IL · Member since 2015 · 67 posts · 43 votes
    7y
    @Craig Carter You are correct, since this is an FHA to FHA transaction (HUD owned REO), the project does not need to be approved to qualify for an FHA loan. Sounds like maybe you’ve just been speaking with inexperienced loan officers.
  • Russell BrazilBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Agent · Washington, D.C. · Member since 2012 · 17k+ posts · 30k+ votes
    7y

    You will need to use a lender without internal overlays. @Upen Patel might be able to help.

  • Real Estate Broker · Coppell, TX · Member since 2011 · 5k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    7y

    What state is the condo?

  • Member since 2018 · 5 posts · 1 vote
    7y
    @Bruce Lynn The condo is in good condition. It would need a new coat of paint and a power wash for the carpets and I could move in. By the way, if that matters, I won the bid as a owner occupant.
  • Member since 2018 · 5 posts · 1 vote
    7y

    The condo is located in Florida.

  • Investor · Bergen County, NJ · Member since 2016 · 40 posts · 24 votes
    7y

    Personally I'd find a cash source, get the condo in your possession, screw HUD/FHA, and finance into a conventional once it's closed and you have the title. Having personally lived through a streamline owner occupant 203k...the object of the game is to get the house out of HUD and FHA hands as fast as possible.

  • Member since 2018 · 5 posts · 1 vote
    7y
    Originally posted by @Noreen Eddy:

    Personally I'd find a cash source, get the condo in your possession, screw HUD/FHA, and finance into a conventional once it's closed and you have the title. Having personally lived through a streamline owner occupant 203k...the object of the game is to get the house out of HUD and FHA hands as fast as possible.

    I won the bid as an owner occupant and this is not yet an investment property, so I am not sure why would I want to do a conventional loan when I can put down only 3.5% instead of 25%, and borrow up to 110% of the future appraised value and rehab the condo any way I like it.

    Anyway, I sorted things out already, and it turns out that HUD has a list of condos who are approved for FHA loans, although the condo project itself is not approved. Apparently, only mortgage brokers have access to this list, and I found a couple already who would be willing to get started with this project and get me approved for an FHA loan.

    However, I got stuck with finding a contractor. It turns out south Florida contractors don't like paperwork (probably no one likes that), and some never heard of workers compensation insurance etc. The real struggle will be finding the right contractor...

  • Greg H.Pro Member
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    Broker/Flipper · Austin, TX · Member since 2013 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Craig Carter:
    Originally posted by @Noreen Eddy:

    Personally I'd find a cash source, get the condo in your possession, screw HUD/FHA, and finance into a conventional once it's closed and you have the title. Having personally lived through a streamline owner occupant 203k...the object of the game is to get the house out of HUD and FHA hands as fast as possible.

    I won the bid as an owner occupant and this is not yet an investment property, so I am not sure why would I want to do a conventional loan when I can put down only 3.5% instead of 25%, and borrow up to 110% of the future appraised value and rehab the condo any way I like it.

    Anyway, I sorted things out already, and it turns out that HUD has a list of condos who are approved for FHA loans, although the condo project itself is not approved. Apparently, only mortgage brokers have access to this list, and I found a couple already who would be willing to get started with this project and get me approved for an FHA loan.

    However, I got stuck with finding a contractor. It turns out south Florida contractors don't like paperwork (probably no one likes that), and some never heard of workers compensation insurance etc. The real struggle will be finding the right contractor...

    Just a heads up that a 203K is one of the toughest loans to get closed much less with the 60 day timetable that HUD allows for 203K. I would select a contractor asap or you will be looking at extensions that with HUD cost you money out of pocket

  • Rental Property Investor · Janesville, WI · Member since 2016 · 87 posts · 42 votes
    7y

    203(K) loans won't get approved without the contractor contract included (part of the application process). We did our first BRRR as a 203(k) loan and it was definitely difficult to find a place familiar with the loan process, so we had to be very direct and slightly aggressive in our questioning on the process with the mortgage lender - we could not rely on them telling us important information as we go, we had to be prepared to ask the questions ourselves.

    There is a list available floating around the internet regarding contractors that work with 203(k) loans, but my suggestion is finding someone on a legit site like Angie's List. 

    Keep in mind that construction with a 203(k) loan can easily be more expensive than a normal contract because withdrawals for payment are limited and contractors typically have to change their normal contract formats and language to adhere to FHA standards (knowing this, they may mark up your cost).

    My suggestion for anyone doing a 203(k) loan - already have an established relationship with a contractor. 

  • Investor · Bergen County, NJ · Member since 2016 · 40 posts · 24 votes
    7y

    @Craig Carter a 203k FHA has PMI. Ours was over $200 per month on top of the mortgage payment. That adds up quickly and is a royal PITA. If you refi into a conventional (presumably after improving the property), you can likely increase the value of the house and have sweat equity working for you - and then you get into a conventional without any extra money out of pocket.

  • Real Estate Professional · West Palm Beach, FL · Member since 2012 · 23k+ posts · 13k+ votes
    7y

    @Craig Carter Just so you know, the list of approved condos for financing, for both fha and conventional, are both available online, to anyone.  I don’t have the links with me, but they are not hard to find.

    Your case is different since the HUD Owner REO disregards this for fha financing.

  • Real Estate Broker · Coppell, TX · Member since 2011 · 5k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    6y


    @Craig Carter Can you give us an update on what you did for financing? Did you use 203k? Did you use FHA? How are things working out?

  • Member since 2018 · 5 posts · 1 vote
    6y

    @Bruce Lynn

    I was not able to close a 203k loan because the contractors I found have provided some absurd quotes, and none of them was actually able to provide all the docs required for such a loan. I got an FHA loan, and

    made small repairs with Craigslist contractors. All in all was a great deal, and I learned a lot in the process.

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