How to find what is owed on Mortgages and Leins on Foreclosure

[Diane Brunkhorst]

Hi, trying to figure out how to find out what is owed on mortgage(s) for public foreclosure auction properties so I can determine what might be the opening bid at auction.  Looking in St Louis County and St. Charles County MO.    RealtyTrac seems to pull that info from somewhere and will list what is owed on the property for some properties but not all.  This will be helpful to weed out looking for properties may have a high opening bid.  Also, just wondering if the foreclosures ever auction for lower than the price owed on the mortgage?  I called the St. Louis County recorder of deeds but they say they only list the original mortgage and not what is owed on it.

[Ron S.]

Originally posted by @Spencer Hoyt:

In my experience, a foreclosure auction does not sell for less than what the mortgage balance is. I find the best deals by working with the banks directly vs the auction. The banks want a bad property off of their books and it is easiest to work with them directly.

@Spender Hoyt - You must be working with a single branch mom and pop bank because no reputable bank in the country would work directly with you. Until there is an auction (foreclosure sale), the bank doesn't own it so exactly how are you working with the banks directly? Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you wrote or, maybe you misstated but you did say "Off their books" which would imply they own it, which would imply they went through foreclosure sale and if that did happen, still, no reputable bank would work directly with a buyer. They have a duty to their shareholders/members to maximize recovery and minimize loss and not exposing the property (REO) to the open market would be negligent in my experience.

Maybe you mean working with the owners through their agent or, maybe you mean working with the bank through their agent after the foreclosure. In either case, if you are working with an agent, you are working with an MLS listed property. if you aren't I go back to my first sentence. No reputable bank would work directly through you.

To the original post....you don't find that out. Unless the current owner pulls out statements showing their balance to you and/or unless the trustee has published the bid amount (Which is usually the total debt owed or a formula of the total debt owed), you won't know what's owed. It's not public information. That said, a foreclosing entity will not foreclose for more than what is owed. THEY will only bid what is owed to them. If third party bidders (The public) drive up the bid price above total debt, overages go to other lienholders in line and if there are none, go back to the original owner. If there are no bidders after the trustee/auctioneer announces the opening bid, it goes back to the beneficiary (The lender) as an REO property.