Tools can only do so much...

Tools can only do so much...

San Jose, CA · Member since 2017 · 69 posts · 25 votes

I'm branching out into commercial real estate and running into a road block: running the numbers. Sure there are great tools available like the ones here on BP, but with any analytical tool:

garbage in = garbage out.

Most inputs are easy to figure out with some leg work on stabilized properties. I'm having a hard time in 2 areas:

-Maintenance and cap ex estimates. Moving these a few percent especially for larger purchases affect margins by quite a bit. I'm currently in the Pittsburgh market and looking at small to midsize multis and apt over retail using 7% for each. Most of my estimated expenses far surpass the 50% rule. I'm more at the 60-70% rule which seems overly conservative to me although many buildings are very old and need a lot of work.

-Rent estimates for retail space, especially vacant ones. I see price/sq ft used for larger retail and office space. Does this apply for smaller storefronts as well? What about other aspects such as desirability from location on the street, how appealing the entrance or display window is, restaurant vs office space, etc? Better yet, how do you work in renovation cost to fit a new tenant?

I expect I'll get better at this with experience, but I'm hoping to avoid any crippling mistakes (and also I suppose overly conservative criteria). Looking forward to the feedback and discussions.

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Joel OwensBusiness Member
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Real Estate Broker · Canton, GA · Member since 2010 · 15k+ posts · 11k+ votes
8y

If you have millions to invest then a commercial broker can help along the way purchasing a property. I help my clients with things like that.

If you have a few hundred K only and want to buy a small value add type property directly for 500k etc. instead of investing with a sponsor then you likely will need to buy books and programs to learn on your own. Busy brokers tend to not have time to spend heavily on small properties that make them a smaller return.

There is a difference between transaction only and giving an investor heavy education on how to buy and evaluate etc. 

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  • Property Manager · Pittsburgh, PA · Member since 2012 · 267 posts · 136 votes
    8y

    I wouldn't lean to heavily on the % rules they are just guidelines.  If you have an inspection or walk the property with a contractor or seasoned investor they can guide you in terms of what to expect for maintenance and capex.  The biggest ones being a new roof/windows/HVAC, etc.  If it's an older building you will have a solid year or two of maintenance issues making themselves apparent (plumbing, electric and handyman type repairs).  Just have ample reserves while you get a handle on things and you will be good.  If you are buying a large building make sure you get people with the right expertise to look at them.  If the building is brick bring a good mason who can point out possible pointing issues, pushing walls, failed lintels, etc.

    If you have a flat roof or even a normal roof have a good roofer check it out.  With enough expert opinions you can feel really confident about what costs may appear in the first year.


    For rent estimates/desireability just contact a property manager in the area these building are located to help you determine those values. 

  • Joel OwensBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Broker · Canton, GA · Member since 2010 · 15k+ posts · 11k+ votes
    8y

    If you have millions to invest then a commercial broker can help along the way purchasing a property. I help my clients with things like that.

    If you have a few hundred K only and want to buy a small value add type property directly for 500k etc. instead of investing with a sponsor then you likely will need to buy books and programs to learn on your own. Busy brokers tend to not have time to spend heavily on small properties that make them a smaller return.

    There is a difference between transaction only and giving an investor heavy education on how to buy and evaluate etc. 

  • San Jose, CA · Member since 2017 · 69 posts · 25 votes
    8y

    @Eddie Werner I've already gotten inspections done, so I know what cap ex's will hit me in the immediate future. It's quantifying "ample reserves" that I'm trying to figure out.

    I stumbled upon Brandon's Blog Post recently that has been very helpful.

    https://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2015/10/13/real-estate-capex-estimate-capital-expenditures/  

  • San Jose, CA · Member since 2017 · 69 posts · 25 votes
    8y

    @Joel Owens I have a few hundred K to invest and have been taking the buy books and programs and learn on my own approach, though I've finding this path very unnerving. I've had to explain to my agent how to valuate a 5+ unit because he kept sending me comps using the SFR method even when I was asking him for cap rates for commercial multi. Calculating for investment goals and criteria is one thing, but overpaying for a property because you valued it incorrectly is never a good idea.

    I will say this, you learn a lot more breaking through road blocks than flipping pages...now to working on finding some one who knows what they're doing so that I don't blow all my money!

  • Elise Bickel TauberBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Cranberry Twp · Member since 2017 · 385 posts · 198 votes
    8y

    Commercial space can be rough. There are not as many comps and it really depends on what is going on in the business world (tax credit wise, etc. ) to determine value unlike residential space where there is a general rule of thumb for the hot and off-peak market as well as a ton of comps for value. 

    As for capex. I usually run with the 8-10% rule unless you are purchasing and you know or near future major expenses which should be calculated into your purchase numbers and not necessarily cap ex.

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