Self Storage- Scaling

Self Storage- Scaling

Henry ClarkPro Member
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Was having fun with a skid steer moving dirt around.  Monotonous and let my mind wander to the topic of Scaling, while driving.   Filling in a low spot just preparing if we decide to build next year.  Love doing cheap value add work.

See a lot of posters, primarily SFH and MFH wanting to make their first deal or what is next, type questions. They really should stop for a second and lay out a map to "Scale" to determine what it will take to get them to Financial Freedom, or whatever their objective is. The following is a "Scaling" path that you could use for Self-Storage. This would be different for each person's resources and Risk/Reward.

Step 1:

New to storage 10/01/2023:

"Start small and Make Your Big Mistakes Early".

If I was new to storage today, in this environment. 

A.  Would start off with 2 acres or smaller. 

B.  On one side do 1 Trip Cargo Containers.  These are 8x20 and are very clean, since they have only been used for one trip.  Delivered they are very cheap right now, about $2,900.  Another $200 to have the ground leveled, rock placed for a base instead of sinking into dirt, then to have them placed and leveled.  Since the delivery is the same for 1 or 2, always buy 2.  Risk/Reward- you can add as needed.  Easy to sale for about the same price.  No property taxes.  Traditional 10x20 or 10 x 15 units cost $4,200 erected, not counting other costs.

C.  On the opposite side of the lot, I would do surface parking spaces.  Lay some rock down.

D.  Not going to go into fencing, security systems, management software, advertising, etc.  Read posts, asks questions.  Make mistakes.  Keep scaling in mind, try to stay loyal to contractors, so they are loyal to you.  Don't shop around to save a $1.

E.  Financing- Always start with a construction loan.  Interest only during both construction and rent up phase.  So, your cashflow is not stressful, trying to make P/I payments day one with no renters.  Then switch to permanent finance.  I would switch to SBA Refinance.  SBA finance would be 10% down, SBA 45%, participating bank 45%.  SBA term could be 20- or 25-year period.  Participating bank is usually 10-year balloon, then switching to 5-year balloons.

F.  Let's do a quick financial analysis.  Say 2 acres at $60,000.  Fence $20,000.  no Gate.  Security $20,000.  Ground Excavation $10,000.  No Utilities other than Electric.  60 containers placed $186,000.  Parking spots $20,000 graveled. Electric and lighting $20,000.  Total $336,000.  Construction interest- say 7% on 1/2 or $200,000= $14,000.  Total $350,000.  

G.  Down 10% $35,000.  Say 7% 5year, 20 amort.  

H.  P/L- Revenue Containers at $70 per month, 90% occupancy; Parking $40 per month 60% occupancy on 30 spots.  Annual revenue= Containers $45,000; Parking $8,000.  Insurance- $1,500; Property tax- $2,000 (no tax on containers).  Electric $1,500.  Other $2,000.  Net Operating Income- $46,000 before depreciation expense, income taxes, principal and interest payments.

I.  Monthly P/I $2,500.  

J.  Cash flowing around say $33,000 annually after P/I, depr, income tax impact.

Actions to scale 1:

A.  Although this is your baby, you're going to sell it to get your Cash Snowball going, to do bigger deals and faster.

If you use a 7% cap rate with NOI of $46,000= $657,000 sales price. Take 7% off for commission. Pay back loan balance of say $300,000. Profit of $311,000. Let's say you waited a year to get Capital Gains versus Personal income tax rate= 15%, then after tax= $264,000.

B.  You didn't have to sale.  You could have kept, appraised and they might have given you 65% collateral against the potential valuation gain.  I would prefer to sale.

Step 2:  Say start of year 4

With $264,000 cash in hand (should have added the original $35,000 down), you can now go do either SBA 10% or Commercial 25% downpayment deal for your next deal.

$2,640,000 or $1,056,000 deals.

A.  Let's do another construction loan and SBA loan so we can scale faster.  SBA you can only do up to $5mm loan "with them".  Since the split is 10% you, 45% SBA, 45% participating bank, that means you can do up to say $11mm of deals before you cap out with the SBA.  Problem with the SBA is you can't use those assets to collateralize with another Commercial bank, you have to stick with the SBA.

Now your Cash Snowball becomes and Avalanche.

B.  With a $2,640,000 deal, we are going to do a 4-acre spot with just traditional drive-up access storage.  In a market with 10 x20's going for $130 per month.  Will have 300 units.  Mixture of 10 wide by 10/15/20 foot deep.  

C. P/L- Revenue 300 units at say average mix of $100 per unit, at 90% occupancy= $324,000 annual. Insurance- $5,000. Property Tax $40,000. Electric $3,000. Self-managed Upkeep- $2,000. Advertising once leveled out- $10,000. NOI- $264,000.

D. 7% cap rate, NOI $264,000. Value $3,771,000.

Actions to Scale 2:

A.  How greedy or big do you want to get?  What is your number or objective?  Past this number you have to develop a company.  

B.  Let's say you sale.  $3,771,000 price.  7% commission.  Loan balance say $2,600,000 left after year 1.  Income tax at Capital gain rate- let's use a flat 20% for this discussion.  Net $725,000 cash in hand plus your original downpayment of $264,000; you have say $1mm to invest.

Step 3:  Say start of year 7

A.  End of exercise.  Recap.  Decide what your "number" is.

B.  Remember SBA will only loan up to $5mm of their money.  With your $1mm, you are now at the threshold with the SBA.  You could do $11mm of projects.  After that you would need to go with Commercial loans at 25% downpayment.

C.  We only used a 7% Cap rate.  Could have been lower, thus speeding up the Scaling.

D.  Used a market for a 10x20 at $130.  Same costs, land probably would be a little more expensive.  But we could have did in a market of $180 to $250 for a 10x20.  Scaling then goes off the charts.

E.  We did not "Buy" any existing locations.  You would be paying the premiums that you are getting in cash.  You would scale very slowly based on Cash Flow versus Developer profit.

F.  Did not do 1031 exchange or Year one depreciation expense.  Since we plan to sale and pay taxes, no value in doing as part of our scaling plan.

G.  At some point you will keep some of your locations for cash flow.  Versus just seeking out Developer profits.

H.  ****** There is too much Self Storage************    There is not a town in the US, whether New York City, Los Angeles or Bill, Wyoming that I would not build new storage.  $5 Billion is a big number.  I use this number as a reference point for the degree to which I mean, there is not near enough storage.  I could see deploying $5 billion dollars in Self Storage today, even if Large REITS are taking a hit today.  The market and Margins are there.  Just be Strategic.  I would even attack the markets where the Large REITS have saturated.

Start small and Make Your Big Mistakes Early.

Its your money, your always right, even if you're wrong.

********If you're in SFH or MFH take the same approach above and use it to develop your Scale model. See where you're going before you get there.******

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@Henry Clark, I really want to thank you for your posts.  They show an amazing amount of insight and detail.  It is kind of you to share your knowledge accumulated the hard way, especially for free.  If you decide to wander through Wyoming, let me and @Nathan Gesner know.  We will buy you lunch or supper.  I really enjoy your posts.

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  • Nathan GesnerBusiness Member
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    Quote from @Henry Clark:

    Henry, this is gold, as usual!

    Let me know when the book is coming out so I can pre-order!

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  • Henry ClarkPro Member
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    @Nathan Gesner

    Maybe you can answer my question.  Why do people write books, do podcasts or do syndicates?  I can make far more money just doing self storage and not have to deal with investors.

    Someone might ask me why i invest so much time on BP for free.  I’m killing time. Selfstorage is busy during development then slow doing rental.  I love puzzles.  Seeing other people’s questions has really sharpened my thought process.

    Already have the book written.  Just have to go through and pull all my posts together.  Been trying to be a speaker at a convention.  ISS or BP.  Would be a lot of fun.  
    .     
    Also keep waiting for you to gig me.  I throw in every once in a while I would build storage in Bill, Wyoming but no one has ever questioned me.  If you get a chance post a picture of Bill.  Went antelope hunting there.

  • Nathan GesnerBusiness Member
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    Quote from @Henry Clark:

    @Nathan Gesner

    Maybe you can answer my question.  Why do people write books, do podcasts or do syndicates?  I can make far more money just doing self storage and not have to deal with investors.

    I spend a lot of time answering questions on BiggerPockets. I don't gain any business from it. I do it because I enjoy helping others and it keeps me sharp. I don't care about being a public speaker, coaching, or trying to build a business with my knowledge. 

    I'm putting it into book format because it's a personal challenge, I will have something tangible to show for all my work, it can produce some income, it may help my business grow locally, and because I'm not always available to answer every question every time.

    If you want to build storage in Cody, give me a holler and I'll do what I can to help. I own one storage facility that is a dump (but it makes really good money) and I want to completely overhaul and modernize it but the prices don't make sense right now.

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    Someone asked me for input on a city 900,000 population in the city limits.  Told them to find my post on "Will they come?".  I took a look at the city; it's always amazing old and mature cities still have a lot of prime Self Storage markets not built yet.  

    Most people when I talk with them will say their town is over built.  This is someone who has never done self-storage and doesn't know how to look.  Had a person last year call about near Newark NJ.  Said it was overbuilt and would cost too much.  Found a great location of about 12 acres in a great market in 15 minutes on Loopnet.  Already cash flowing with some contractor buildings, at the asking price, even before they would build self-storage. 25 minutes outside of Newark.

    Even if you live in ManHattan, you can do Self Storage.  Pick a train or subway going 30 minutes outside of town and start looking or developing.  Take a bicycle with you and you're at your location in a few minutes.

  • Jerry W.Pro Member
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    @Henry Clark, I really want to thank you for your posts.  They show an amazing amount of insight and detail.  It is kind of you to share your knowledge accumulated the hard way, especially for free.  If you decide to wander through Wyoming, let me and @Nathan Gesner know.  We will buy you lunch or supper.  I really enjoy your posts.

  • Henry ClarkPro Member
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    Quote from @Jerry W.:

    @Henry Clark, I really want to thank you for your posts.  They show an amazing amount of insight and detail.  It is kind of you to share your knowledge accumulated the hard way, especially for free.  If you decide to wander through Wyoming, let me and @Nathan Gesner know.  We will buy you lunch or supper.  I really enjoy your posts.


     Next time I go to Bill, Wyoming, I will look you two up.  Anything other than Prong Horn Antelope steak, would like to try some Jackalope though.

  • Nathan GesnerBusiness Member
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    Quote from @Henry Clark:
    Henry, it's Cody, Wyoming. Pronghorn isn't my favorite, but it does make a good breakfast sausage!
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  • Member since 2022 · 40 posts · 34 votes
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    I am wondering @Henry Clark how you got your foot in the door when it comes to commercial real estate, and specifically self storage?

    Unlike the residential side of RI, the financing structures and regulations are quite a bit more complex — or at least that is what it appears to my untrained eye. Do you have any introductory reading materials that helped you get started, or any reference materials that you might suggest for a newcomer. I am specifically interested in how a person or entity would go about getting a commercial construction loan when they are a new business venture with limited capital, and no commercial portfolio to speak of. Should I leverage other assets, bring in investors, etc. etc.?

  • Henry ClarkPro Member
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    @Greg C.. You can use the lookup function on my name and Selfstorage.   What towns are you near?  

    Give me a capital figure to start with.  $0, $10,000, $50,000, $100,000, s300,000.  Etc. You have to gear your entry to your market and initial capital. 

  • Member since 2022 · 40 posts · 34 votes
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    @Greg C.. You can use the lookup function on my name and Selfstorage.   What towns are you near?  

    Give me a capital figure to start with.  $0, $10,000, $50,000, $100,000, s300,000.  Etc. You have to gear your entry to your market and initial capital. 


    Thanks @Henry Clark. I have some funds tied up in other investments right now, but conservatively I would have close to $10,000 to start but possibly $30,000-$50,000 in liquid assets depending on how things go the next few months. I am in the Triangle NC market.

    I am going to go through your past posts. Thank you, you are a wealth of knowledge.

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    @Greg C. There are many books, podcasts, posts, groups, etc you can read and join.  You will note three things I try to say in my posts.  1.  Don't trust me.  Anything in Self Storage can be validated., 2.  Start small and Make Your Big Mistakes Early., 3.  It's your money, your always right, even if you're wrong.

    Just discussing drive up access and non-climate-controlled units.  

    A.  Right now, the cost of these buildings is really high.  You need to be in a market for 10x20's with street rates greater than $90; preferably $110 or higher.  At $90 you still make a profit, but it's not worth the risk reward.

    B.  It is better to build than to buy currently.  Unless you can find a small location of say 25 or 50 units at the right price.  There is too large a premium on existing buildings.

    I am not giving you any financial advice, since I don't know your full situation.

    Scenario with $10,000 and a possible $20k to $40k more in the next few months.  In the Greensboro, Raliegh, and Durham market.

    1.  If you read my posts.  "Will they Come?".  I am not doing a specific location or market study for your area.  I looked at Sparefoot in those three areas.  10x20 drive up access, non-climate controlled is down in the $90 range: with some at higher levels.  So, you have to be very location specific.

    2.  In the scaling post above, I recommended doing your first location and then selling to get your cash snowball for a bigger location.  Also, by doing a smaller location, your initial learning curve risk is smaller.

    3.  Starting with $10,000 I would recommend the following approaches.  Again, depends on your risk/reward/resources. 

    A. Buy a piece of ground about 1 to 2 acres. Normally I go with 2 acres or larger, but this is to get you started.,  Preferably with preexisting concrete or hard surface or rock.

    B.  Go with Cargo Containers.  They have cut in half in the last 2 years and are affordable.  Used $2,200; 1 trip or new $2,900; Versus a new traditional 10 x 15 or 20 runs about $4,400 erected.   

    C.  Risk/Reward.  You can always sell containers easily for 60 to 80% of their value or more.  You can add them as you need them.  Try to do 10 at a time, to reduce the cost of "Setting" them.  Will need an excavator or crane truck to set.  Read my posts on Cargo Containers.

    Steps:

    1.  Check zoning allows storage and Cargo Containers.

    2.  Located your Cargo container dealers in your area and deliver price.  Get estimates on site prep.

    3.  Recommend you don't do the full fence, gate, security system etc. right of the bat.  Add later for financial purposes.

    4.  Normally I would say work with a local bank that can convert to an SBA loan.  But since I am going to recommend you sell this location to get a cash snowball, don't.  Also don't do the year one Depreciation right off.

    5.  Commercial Lenders prefer to work with people who have experience already.  This will help since you are starting off small.  Also, you show them you are managing your Risk/Reward.

    6.  Calculate the cost to install and the return to cover P/I on Land, Cargo Containers, and expenses.  You want to install or get to enough units to where at 50 to 65% occupancy you are covering all cashflow.  At this size you will have learned a lot about Self Storage and can now start to scale with your systems in place.  

    7.  Calculate FAILURE:  In 6 above if you only ever reach your cash flow break even, you Failed to make the big bucks.  But you are building equity by paying down the principal.  Also, you just earned a $50,000 education in Self Storage with little risk.

    8.  FAILURE: 

    Scenario A.  If you had to sale the above.  Say your land was $50,000 and you had 30 cargo containers at $90,000: plus, an additional $20,000 of site prep.  Thats a total of $160,000.  Let's say worst case you sell the cargo containers for $60,000 and the land for $35,000.  Or a total of $95,000; you just lost $65,000. 

    Scenario B.  You sell the going operation with 25 units rented at $60 per month.  Low property taxes since containers, say $2,000.  Low insurance (personal property coverage) at $1,500.  Rent $18,000 per year.  Less Expenses not counting your time. Will be a local person that buys.  Say $12,000 cash flow after interest expense.  Cap rate of 7.  Valuation of $84,000.; you just lost $76,000.

    9.  The above Failure scenarios also tell you your breakeven in number of units has to be higher.

    Looking on Loopnet for those three towns Commercial/Industrial land is running in the $100,000 per acre.  This is fine for once you learn the business, but you will want to find cheaper land in the city or on the outskirts.

    Start small and Make Your Big Mistakes Early.

  • Rental Property Investor · Norfolk, VA · Member since 2016 · 101 posts · 29 votes
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    @Henry Clark very good information. Im looking to get into self storage, feel more confident in the business model to scale for out of state opportunities. I feel less risk comparing to residential commercial real estate.

  • Oklahoma City · Member since 2017 · 9 posts · 0 votes
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    I’m looking to build my first place in Okc.  My biggest concern is how long does it typically take to fill units after construction is complete? I can only afford the interest only payments for so long without cash flow coming in. Do you have an estimated time to get to 50% occupancy let’s say?  

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    Quote from @Ken Stoll:

    I’m looking to build my first place in Okc.  My biggest concern is how long does it typically take to fill units after construction is complete? I can only afford the interest only payments for so long without cash flow coming in. Do you have an estimated time to get to 50% occupancy let’s say?  


     Use the lookup function and read my post.  Will they come?  Your answer is the strength of your market.   Also the size you build in phase one.  Are you building 100 or 400 units to start with. That dictates your occupancy percentage and how long it takes. We always build and finance either 18 months of rent up or 60% to hit cashflow breakeven. That also dictates how many units we build in phase 1.  

  • Oklahoma City · Member since 2017 · 9 posts · 0 votes
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    Thank you, I’ll look that up.  I have general contractor who quoted me $1.5 million to build 25,000 sqft, all in.  Even interest only is $9,000 a month and I wouldn't be able to pay that out of pocket for a very long time which is why I was curious how long it would take to get occupancy on a new build.  Since this is my first project, I think doing smaller phases would be the way to go. Maybe start with 10,000 sqft initially. I could float those payments longer while waiting for cash to come in.  

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    Look at your property layout.  How many buildings will it have when fully built out?  Back into the units needed to break even at say 65%.  Normally we go for 18 months or 65% occupancy for breakeven. 

    Also depends on your market and location.  

    Right now unless your market 10x20 price is not in the $110 or higher range I would not build unless it is really small and you want to start learning.  

  • Oklahoma City · Member since 2017 · 9 posts · 0 votes
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    Quote from @Henry Clark:

    Look at your property layout.  How many buildings will it have when fully built out?  Back into the units needed to break even at say 65%.  Normally we go for 18 months or 65% occupancy for breakeven. 

    Also depends on your market and location.  

    Right now unless your market 10x20 price is not in the $110 or higher range I would not build unless it is really small and you want to start learning.  


     Im looking at 1.5 acres and im thinking maybe 4 buildings total. Right now 10x20’s are going for $126 but most the places I called have a waitlist or only 1 or 2 available. Not finding anything for sale so I was thinking to build something small to learn. I’ve heard construction prices are high right now though. 

  • Henry ClarkPro Member
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    Quote from @Ken Stoll:
    Quote from @Henry Clark:

    Look at your property layout.  How many buildings will it have when fully built out?  Back into the units needed to break even at say 65%.  Normally we go for 18 months or 65% occupancy for breakeven. 

    Also depends on your market and location.  

    Right now unless your market 10x20 price is not in the $110 or higher range I would not build unless it is really small and you want to start learning.  


     Im looking at 1.5 acres and im thinking maybe 4 buildings total. Right now 10x20’s are going for $126 but most the places I called have a waitlist or only 1 or 2 available. Not finding anything for sale so I was thinking to build something small to learn. I’ve heard construction prices are high right now though. 


     My stuff must not be any good.  You’re not voting for any of my material.

    Run your numbers.  You should be running your numbers and challenging each facet before you decide to build or buy.  Look at my posts.  

    You should have read all of my posts, watched several podcasts of folks, read the books, joined the self storage only websites and read through them.  Did deal analysis.  Both building and buying. Then invest.  

  • Rental Property Investor · Somewhere over the Rainbow · Member since 2021 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    Wow this is figured out

    Favorited for later when I get home and can read and digest 

    And not writing a book or doing social media, what kind of "guru" are you anyway?!

  • Henry ClarkPro Member
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    So folks how many of you have stopped and did your Scaling plan?  

    Also read my post what happens if you die?  That should also be part of your scaling plan.  

  • Investor · Atlanta GA | Cleveland OH | RTP, NC · Member since 2018 · 27 posts · 16 votes
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    This is gold.

    I've been looking into Self Storage for over a year - but ended up buying an industrial property (and thank you for replying in my other post).

    I always thought about buying an existing self storage with land to expand. Buying raw land to develop scares me. But as you laid out, 10% out of $350K is nothing - I can do that.

    How did you find your contractors to work with? I have one contractor who is working on my Warehouse, I love him. But he didn't have any prior experiences with Self Storage.

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    @Henry Clark, I am going to buy a few Conex containers to rent out before moving into self storage buildings.  I have seen about 3 categories, wind and water tight, cargo worthy, and one trip.  The prices range from about $3K, $3,500, and about $5,500.  I would appreciate your advice on how nice of a container I need to rent.  My feeling is get one or 2 very nice one trip ones to use for advertising, then half a dozen of the cargo worthy that are not as pretty but will work just as well for a small discount on rent price.  By the way thank you for your posts, they are very informative and inspiring.

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    Quote from @Jerry W.:

    @Henry Clark, I am going to buy a few Conex containers to rent out before moving into self storage buildings.  I have seen about 3 categories, wind and water tight, cargo worthy, and one trip.  The prices range from about $3K, $3,500, and about $5,500.  I would appreciate your advice on how nice of a container I need to rent.  My feeling is get one or 2 very nice one trip ones to use for advertising, then half a dozen of the cargo worthy that are not as pretty but will work just as well for a small discount on rent price.  By the way thank you for your posts, they are very informative and inspiring.


     Normally I would get the Cargo Worthy and paint them. Just make sure the floors, roof and doors are good.  But where we are at CW are $2,850 and 1 trip are $3,200.  So, we bought the 1 trip.  I always tell people to measure Failure.  Just for kicks advertise online you want to sale a 20 foot 1 trip for $3,000 from your location and see the interest.  Start them on the opposite side where you might build regular self storage.  Read my post on laying some rock down to get them off the ground, unless your on cement.

    I think Conex's are a good buy right now.  If any issues with China or the Panama Canal become worse their prices will skyrocket back to $5,000.  Most 1 trips come from China.

  • Henry ClarkPro Member
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    Quote from @Jerry V.:

    Henry, WOW! lmao  Here I've seen different posts of yours but, didn't even see the SS ones! (again laughing hard)  I've actually tried to invest or get into SS with another program but, "something" about it/them didn't sit well with me... but, I digress.  I WILL be looking up your past posts and going through them.

    As a contractor, I understand most "builds" but, haven't actually invested in any units or locations as of yet.  I'm in an area outside Dallas, TX proper. Everything around is blowing up (has been for a while) but of course, SS units and Car Washes are going up right along with the expansion! lol  Actually, I'm very interested in "land" investing (unimproved, turning them like a wholesaler, but of course keeping some plots)

    I'll vote on your posts (grinning) and see what I can learn and how much I can follow along! :D

    (w/ J's Roofing  -  www.JsRoofing.com )

     Say hello to my relatives in Bedford and Mabank.  Hope their waterpipes didn't freeze.  Look up my post "Will they come?".  This will give you a feel for your market potential and competition.

    Also read the last "Deal" post or two I did.  Helped my brother do a location in Floresville/La Vernia Texas, turned out great.  He moved and decided to sell.  With the funds him and his wife are having a great time near Lucca, Italy where he took a position.  We will take a look there doing SS or possibly a two level Parking garage.  Saw one over there and it looks like a great product.  Just need to see if the numbers work. 

    Enough of a break.  Done plowing snow.  Need to ice in front now.  Try to do single slope towards the south.  That way the thaw freeze doesn't ice up at night in front of your north facing doors.

  • Contractor · Richardson, TX · Member since 2022 · 265 posts · 146 votes
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    Henry, thanks for the reply, info, and post... the site "removed" my post sooo.... it's seen in your reply at least! lol

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