Stepping Stone into Syndications?

Stepping Stone into Syndications?

Investor · Baton Rouge, LA · Member since 2019 · 184 posts · 167 votes

Good morning all,

I'll try to keep this concise without ramblind too much. My current REI investments consist of a small number of buy and hold SFH properties. They're cash flowing well and I thought this would be my primary strategy moving forward. After dealing with some of your typical "active" REI issues, I've been tossing around the idea of moving into a more passive role. I'm becoming more familiar with the concept of syndications but don't quite meet the minimum requirements to be considered accredited. My main goals are equity preservation through tax deferment and long-term growth. After looking at some options available for non-accredited investors, I'm hoping to get your advice, opinions, and lessons learned for any of the other options currently available.

1. Hard Money Lending - this seems like a no-brainer win-win but I'm having trouble finding information on how this affects taxes. Is an LLC or other entity required? Are 1031s involved? Is it filed on schedule E with little to no deductions?How is this better than throwing it all in stock market ETFs and collecting 8+%? How do you get started?

2. Crowdfunding - I understand some of these are open to non-accredited investors, but I'm seeing a lot of mixed reviews.  Same as above, how are taxes involved, depreciation, etc.  I haven't dug into all of the requirements for making this a success, so any advice here is appreciated.

3. Private Syndications - My understanding is these are few and far between and you really need a strong network in order to land one of these deals.  Do you have advice or experience for one of these?  I would assume the same level of homework is involved versus other types of syndications.

Thanks in advance for any advice you can offer!

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Jim PfeiferBusiness Member
Investor · Dublin, OH · Member since 2014 · 241 posts · 495 votes
3y

I was in a similar situation a few years ago and I decided to sell all of my active properties.  I now invest passively in real estate syndications.  You do NOT need to be accredited to invest in private syndications, though you will certainly work harder to find non-accredited deals - they are out there.

My main recommendations when people are getting into passive real estate syndications Are:

1. Read The Hand's Off Investor by @Brian Burke - it is by far the best introduction to syndications I have found and it also digs deep into analysis - of deals, markets and sponsors.  This should be required reading for passive investors!

2. Join a Community.  Real estate syndications are long-term, illiquid investments that are completely out of your control.  Finding quality operators is the most important part of syndication investing and it is very difficult to find them on your own AND be confident that they are quality asset managers.  When I started, I listened to podcasts to find sponsors and then called them up and talked to them for 30 minutes.  Then they would send a deal and I would have to decide if I was going to wire them $50,000 from just one short conversation.  That was scary and it didn't always work out.  Once I joined a Community, everything changed.  Now, I don't invest with a new sponsor unless they are recommended to me by someone in my Community who I know, like and trust and that person has invested with the sponsor.  I still do significant due diligence, but I am starting several steps ahead because trust transfers.

3. Check out this Masterclass on RE syndications - it takes you from what is passive investing all the way through how to vet an operator and analyze a deal.

Good luck!

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  • Rental Property Investor · Denver, CO · Member since 2015 · 66 posts · 8 votes
    3y

    I haven't done any hard money lending or crowdfunding but as far as syndications go, they are relatively easy to find if you are an accredited investor and was to invest passively. There are several podcasts out there that focus on passive investing strategies and I've found a few syndicators by listening to them on various podcasts and then signing up for email alerts for their new deals. 

  • Real Estate · Southern New Jersey · Member since 2014 · 78 posts · 31 votes
    3y

    Check out “the real estate guys” podcast, they are big proponents of RE syndication and have a training on it twice a year realestateguysradio.com

  • Jim PfeiferBusiness Member
    Investor · Dublin, OH · Member since 2014 · 241 posts · 495 votes
    3y

    I was in a similar situation a few years ago and I decided to sell all of my active properties.  I now invest passively in real estate syndications.  You do NOT need to be accredited to invest in private syndications, though you will certainly work harder to find non-accredited deals - they are out there.

    My main recommendations when people are getting into passive real estate syndications Are:

    1. Read The Hand's Off Investor by @Brian Burke - it is by far the best introduction to syndications I have found and it also digs deep into analysis - of deals, markets and sponsors.  This should be required reading for passive investors!

    2. Join a Community.  Real estate syndications are long-term, illiquid investments that are completely out of your control.  Finding quality operators is the most important part of syndication investing and it is very difficult to find them on your own AND be confident that they are quality asset managers.  When I started, I listened to podcasts to find sponsors and then called them up and talked to them for 30 minutes.  Then they would send a deal and I would have to decide if I was going to wire them $50,000 from just one short conversation.  That was scary and it didn't always work out.  Once I joined a Community, everything changed.  Now, I don't invest with a new sponsor unless they are recommended to me by someone in my Community who I know, like and trust and that person has invested with the sponsor.  I still do significant due diligence, but I am starting several steps ahead because trust transfers.

    3. Check out this Masterclass on RE syndications - it takes you from what is passive investing all the way through how to vet an operator and analyze a deal.

    Good luck!

  • Real Estate Syndicator · Milwaukee, WI · Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 907 votes
    3y

    I am advocate for investing in "private syndications" with an operator you trust and has a track record of providing great returns. Plenty of syndicators out there that allow for non-accredited.  And once you become accredited it opens up to even more options. 

  • Nicholas L.Pro Member
    Flipper/Rehabber · Pittsburgh · Member since 2018 · 6k+ posts · 5k+ votes
    3y

    @Troy P.

    you said "After dealing with some of your typical "active" REI issues"

    just curious - what issues?

  • Investor · Baton Rouge, LA · Member since 2019 · 184 posts · 167 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Nicholas L.:

    @Troy P.

    you said "After dealing with some of your typical "active" REI issues"

    just curious - what issues?

    Tenant complaining the water heater is not large enough, violating the lease by installing supplemental air conditioning, removing interior doors, of which none have been resolved.  That is just at my most recent walkthrough.  I know, it could be much worse, but I hope to not get that far or be put in that position..

  • Nicholas L.Pro Member
    Flipper/Rehabber · Pittsburgh · Member since 2018 · 6k+ posts · 5k+ votes
    3y

    @Troy P.

    do you have a property manager?

  • Ronald RohdePro Member
    Attorney · Dallas, TX · Member since 2016 · 5k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    3y

    Lending is fine, but you need to find borrowers. No 1031 option, little deductions, just interest income but higher returns with fees and less risk if you're willing to own the asset at your loan value.

    I wouldn't do crowdfunding, you have a skill set, leverage that.

    You can do syndications only if you understand the asset, the market, and trust the operators. You have to be an expert.

  • Investor · Charleston, SC · Member since 2011 · 606 posts · 413 votes
    3y

    You can do hard money lending technically without an LLC but I would advise to use one. You are getting interest income which is taxed at your ordinary income tax rate. It is much more predictable than ETF and is secured on the asset itself so you can get your principle back if not paying (as long as you lend at low enough LTV).

    Typically, with syndications you would get a K-1 K-1s that reports each persons share of income, losses, deductions and credits and will be put on your personal tax returns. Some private placements allow up to 35 non-accredited investors like in a 506b but will depend on what it says in the private placement details.  There are quite a few out there but vet them well. Hope this helps.  

  • Investor/RE Broker · Eugene, OR · Member since 2014 · 3k+ posts · 968 votes
    3y

    Some years back now, I switched my strategy of investing in more SFR to investing in syndications for a more passive experience. I started via a crowdfunding company in what were portfolios of 10 SFRs, then they switched to smaller multifamily, and now partner on larger projects with some major Sponsors. I have continued to invest with them, and have tracked my experience & returns through it all for more than seven years. You can read it all in my 4 part BP blog
    Have I Found the Holy Grail of Passive Real Estate Investing?
    I update quarterly in (Part 4)
    All best in your REI.


  • Investor · Fairfax, VA · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 801 votes
    3y

    @Larry Fried. This is great feed back on syndication.  Did you get any returns before full occupancy?  Also it would be nice to know why you chose a specific syndicator/asset class and who the syndicator was.

  • Investor/RE Broker · Eugene, OR · Member since 2014 · 3k+ posts · 968 votes
    3y

    John, I recommend you read my blog series.  It will answer most if not all your questions.

  • Melanie ThomasBusiness Member
    Real Estate Broker · San Antonio · Member since 2022 · 1k+ posts · 490 votes
    3y

    Hello! Check out the Property Management Mastermind Podcast. Brad Larsen recently had Reed Goossens on for a PHENOMENAL chat about Syndication. Lots of golden nuggets to take away from that one! Episode #164. Good luck and Happy Investing!

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  • J ScottPro Member
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    Investor · Sarasota, FL · Member since 2008 · 18k+ posts · 17k+ votes
    3y
    Here's a podcast I did with BP Money about 18 months ago talking about all the things you should know/think about before investing in Syndications.

    I agree with everyone above that syndications are a great passive investment strategy, but "passive" only applies after you invest.  Until then, there's a lot of due diligence and work that goes into ensuring that the sponsor you pick is a good sponsor, the location is a strong location, the deal makes sense, and you are comfortable with all the risks.

    https://www.biggerpockets.com/...
  • Member since 2023 · 4 posts · 0 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Jim Pfeifer:

    I was in a similar situation a few years ago and I decided to sell all of my active properties.  I now invest passively in real estate syndications.  You do NOT need to be accredited to invest in private syndications, though you will certainly work harder to find non-accredited deals - they are out there.

    My main recommendations when people are getting into passive real estate syndications Are:

    1. Read The Hand's Off Investor by @Brian Burke - it is by far the best introduction to syndications I have found and it also digs deep into analysis - of deals, markets and sponsors.  This should be required reading for passive investors!

    2. Join a Community.  Real estate syndications are long-term, illiquid investments that are completely out of your control.  Finding quality operators is the most important part of syndication investing and it is very difficult to find them on your own AND be confident that they are quality asset managers.  When I started, I listened to podcasts to find sponsors and then called them up and talked to them for 30 minutes.  Then they would send a deal and I would have to decide if I was going to wire them $50,000 from just one short conversation.  That was scary and it didn't always work out.  Once I joined a Community, everything changed.  Now, I don't invest with a new sponsor unless they are recommended to me by someone in my Community who I know, like and trust and that person has invested with the sponsor.  I still do significant due diligence, but I am starting several steps ahead because trust transfers.

    3. Check out this Masterclass on RE syndications - it takes you from what is passive investing all the way through how to vet an operator and analyze a deal.

    Good luck!


     Thank you for the recommendations on syndication education, i will definitely check our The Hands Off Investor and the masterclass.  My question is how did you find/establish your community?  We were active landlords some years back, but now getting back into RE I would like to do it in a more passive way.  I am accredited if it makes a difference in your advice.  Thanks! Heather

  • Member since 2023 · 4 posts · 0 votes
    3y

    Larry, your blog series is amazing!  Thank you!  I would appreciate it if you DM me the company name.  Thanks again!

    Heather

  • Jim PfeiferBusiness Member
    Investor · Dublin, OH · Member since 2014 · 241 posts · 495 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Heather Manning:
    Quote from @Jim Pfeifer:

    I was in a similar situation a few years ago and I decided to sell all of my active properties.  I now invest passively in real estate syndications.  You do NOT need to be accredited to invest in private syndications, though you will certainly work harder to find non-accredited deals - they are out there.

    My main recommendations when people are getting into passive real estate syndications Are:

    1. Read The Hand's Off Investor by @Brian Burke - it is by far the best introduction to syndications I have found and it also digs deep into analysis - of deals, markets and sponsors.  This should be required reading for passive investors!

    2. Join a Community.  Real estate syndications are long-term, illiquid investments that are completely out of your control.  Finding quality operators is the most important part of syndication investing and it is very difficult to find them on your own AND be confident that they are quality asset managers.  When I started, I listened to podcasts to find sponsors and then called them up and talked to them for 30 minutes.  Then they would send a deal and I would have to decide if I was going to wire them $50,000 from just one short conversation.  That was scary and it didn't always work out.  Once I joined a Community, everything changed.  Now, I don't invest with a new sponsor unless they are recommended to me by someone in my Community who I know, like and trust and that person has invested with the sponsor.  I still do significant due diligence, but I am starting several steps ahead because trust transfers.

    3. Check out this Masterclass on RE syndications - it takes you from what is passive investing all the way through how to vet an operator and analyze a deal.

    Good luck!


     Thank you for the recommendations on syndication education, i will definitely check our The Hands Off Investor and the masterclass.  My question is how did you find/establish your community?  We were active landlords some years back, but now getting back into RE I would like to do it in a more passive way.  I am accredited if it makes a difference in your advice.  Thanks! Heather

     @Heather Manning I was looking to leverage the expertise of others and to help new people get into passive investing, so I started a Mastermind/dinner club in Columbus Ohio.  We were going to meet every month and talk passive investing and we planned our first meeting for March 18, 2020.  That was the week Ohio shut down for the pandemic so we never met.  We went on Zoom and because everyone was sitting at home with nothing to do, we got some high profile guests early on.  Our group grew as the demand for this type of knowledge -then and now - is immense!  Our Community grew to almost 1300 members - all focused on building wealth through passively investing in (mostly) real estate syndications.  

    There are quite a few Communities out there.  It is important to find one where the culture fits your personality.  Ideally, you want to find a comfortable place to interact and network with other like-minded people.  I don't want to cross the line into self-promotion, so if you have questions about our Community please DM me!

  • J ScottPro Member
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    Investor · Sarasota, FL · Member since 2008 · 18k+ posts · 17k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Jim Pfeifer:

    There are quite a few Communities out there.  It is important to find one where the culture fits your personality.  Ideally, you want to find a comfortable place to interact and network with other like-minded people.  I don't want to cross the line into self-promotion, so if you have questions about our Community please DM me!


    Jim isn't allowed to self-promote, but I can promote a bit for him...  :)

    As a recent member of his group (I do a lot of LP investing outside of my active investing), I've found the forum discussions to be more sophisticated and detailed than any other LP group I've ever been part of.  Some great folks in that group and I highly recommend it!

  • Jim PfeiferBusiness Member
    Investor · Dublin, OH · Member since 2014 · 241 posts · 495 votes
    3y

    @J Scott Thank you so much for your kind words, I can't think of a better endorsement than that!!

  • Investor/RE Broker · Eugene, OR · Member since 2014 · 3k+ posts · 968 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Heather Manning:

    Larry, your blog series is amazing!  Thank you!  I would appreciate it if you DM me the company name.  Thanks again!

    Heather


     Thanks Heather.  Done.

  • Investor · Fairfax, VA · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 801 votes
    3y

    @J Scott. So what makes a good syndicator in your opinion?  Which types of LP have you done and why?  What have you learned.

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