First single family house rental in Kalamazoo, MI

First single family house rental in Kalamazoo, MI

Jae GreenPro Member
Rental Property Investor ยท Kalamazoo, MI (Kalamazoo) ยท Member since 2018 ยท 14 posts ยท 3 votes

Hello fellow real estate investors!

My wife and I are proud to be able to finally post on the BP forums after becoming members over a year ago. We live in Kalamazoo, Michigan. I work at one of the hospitals here and my wife teaches English as a second language at home.

2019 was quite a year as my wife and I sold our primary residence home and we were able to purchase our first SFH that we plan to turn into our first investment property. We also had our first baby boy in December ๐Ÿ˜ณ, so things have been a blur. However, we are finally getting started on organizing our remodel.

For those interested:

The house is a 2bed 1bath with unfinished basement that is plumbed for additional full bath and room for additional bedroom in the basement. It is 730 sq ft on the main floor ๐Ÿ˜ณ and we will be able to add roughly 700 sq ft in living space to the basement. Has decent sized back yard, garage, and in a decent neighborhood. Listed for $105k and we financed it for $87k with conventional loan and 20% down payment.

I originally estimated about $30k (plan for $40k) in rehab to remove load bearing wall, update main floor, and finish the basement (things never seem to go as planned the first time around). But as we gather bids from contractors Iโ€™m thinking this may cost me upwards towards $60k and I might have to approach the rehab in โ€œphasesโ€ to get it finished and not drain the savings account. I could also put in some sweat equity as I my wife loves to paint and I know how to install LVP flooring, which could cut some cost.

Conservative ARV is around $130,000 so if we wanted to refi in the future we could get most of our money back (depending on final rehab cost). I think we could rent anywhere from $1000-$1200 which would cash flow us about $400/month if we rented $1200. We are attempting to create a slightly above average rental as compared to the surrounding rentals and apartments.

We finally got to the point where we needed to take action and just work our way through the process. We are open to any suggestions or words of wisdom and we will try to keep you updated as things move along. We hope everyone is staying healthy during these unprecedented times.

Best Regards,

Jae & Megan

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Member since 2020 ยท 3 posts ยท 2 votes
6y

@Jae Green. I have been an investor in Kalamazoo for over 10 years. Those little 720 houses with two bedrooms, and 2 x 3 walls built in the 50s are pretty common. However your numbers make me nervous. If you paid $82,000, I would not invest another 50 or $60,000, you just will not get a return. Also be cautious about thinking youโ€™re going to get a big return on finishing a basement. Unless there is legal egress, or it is a walkout, an appraiser will give you zero credit for it. It will not affect your value at all. For 60 grand, the only way to get a return, would be to add on on the main level and put a third bedroom and a second bathroom on the house

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  • Connor AndersonBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent ยท Grand Rapids, MI ยท Member since 2017 ยท 147 posts ยท 102 votes
    6y

    Thank you for posting details about your first deal! It sounds like it has the potential to work out well and bring in some nice cash flow. Please update us when it is all finished.

  • Rental Property Investor ยท Temecula, CA ยท Member since 2019 ยท 131 posts ยท 54 votes
    6y

    Congrats Jae! What part of town is the SFR in? I have a cousin that lives in Kzoo. Good luck on the rehab.

  • Jae GreenPro Member
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    Rental Property Investor ยท Kalamazoo, MI (Kalamazoo) ยท Member since 2018 ยท 14 posts ยท 3 votes
    6y

    @Matt Everling

    Thanks Matt! We are located on the south part of Westnedge Hill neighborhood on Cork St.

  • Lender ยท Newark NJ ยท Member since 2017 ยท 56 posts ยท 28 votes
    6y

    Grew up in portage! I miss kzoo so much. I live in NJ 30 min outside of manhattan now 


    I know cork street well! Best of luck @Jae Green

  • Real Estate Agent ยท St Petersburg, FL ยท Member since 2020 ยท 3 posts ยท 0 votes
    6y

    Congratulations Jae! On both the house and new baby! Once you have tenants you will enjoy other people paying down the mortgage while increasing equity at the same time. It's great that you want to improve the property and maximize the rent. Just be careful not to over improve for the area. Do your research and see what other properties in the area with similar upgrades are renting for. I think you have the right idea to do it in phases so you don't drain your savings. You can always make a few improvements each time a tenant moves out. You might lose a month's rent, but you will get that back in equity earned in the long run. Good luck! 

  • Bellingham, WA ยท Member since 2018 ยท 80 posts ยท 26 votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Jae Green:

    @Matt Everling

    Thanks Matt! We are located on the south part of Westnedge Hill neighborhood on Cork St.



    Congratulations on the new property and the baby!

    This looks like a nice location. Close to some services, but not too dense. It looks like you're only about 1-2 miles to the universities. Is that accurate?


  • Jae GreenPro Member
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    Rental Property Investor ยท Kalamazoo, MI (Kalamazoo) ยท Member since 2018 ยท 14 posts ยท 3 votes
    6y


    @Paul Doty- Yes sir, it is close to 4 schools (KVCC, KCC, Kalamazoo College, and Western Michigan University) and two hospitals. It also qualifies for the Kalamazoo Promise.

    @Rob Reed - Yes! I've been told to not try to be the most expensive house in the neighborhood :-) I'm thinking maybe some slightly more quality materials in the bathroom (which is smaller than a normal bathroom) and the kitchen (perhaps a quartz counter top?) Any suggestions on what might make a potential tenant pay a little more to be in mine as oppose to an apartment or other rental?

    I also like your idea about the "rehab in phases" because I was not thinking that way when I typed it. I was initially thinking about prolonging our time in the house until the entire rehab was complete but this sounds like a more efficient way to start getting cashflow and not living in a 730 sq ft box with a newborn any longer than I have to :-)

  • Bellingham, WA ยท Member since 2018 ยท 80 posts ยท 26 votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Jae Green:


     ...also qualifies for the Kalamazoo Promise.

    I just looked this up, what an amazing scholarship! 

  • Rental Property Investor ยท Charlevoix, MI ยท Member since 2016 ยท 51 posts ยท 13 votes
    6y

    Hi Jae, I invest in Kzoo as well. Are you planning to rent to students? Did you purchase it for $87k or that was the amount you financed? 

  • Real Estate Agent ยท St Petersburg, FL ยท Member since 2020 ยท 3 posts ยท 0 votes
    6y

    Believe it or not, itโ€™s the little things that can be the determining factor if a potential renter chooses your property or someone elseโ€™s. A good cleaning and a fresh coat of paint go along way and itโ€™s inexpensive. Iโ€™ve seen too many houses with old carpet, missing tiles, dirty walls and paint, dead bugs on the floor, dirty kitchen cabinets, soap scum in the shower....I think you get the picture. If potential tenants see that the place is being kept up, they know that the owner cares about the property and will more than likely address any issues in a timely manner. 

    As far as what materials to use, just make sure they are durable and good quality. Keep in mind that a renter will never take as good of care of your property as you would. Quartz is very durable and low maintenance. Since you have a small bathroom look for remnants at your local retailer. They are usually less expensive. 

  • Jae GreenPro Member
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    Rental Property Investor ยท Kalamazoo, MI (Kalamazoo) ยท Member since 2018 ยท 14 posts ยท 3 votes
    6y

    @Rob Reed - thank you for all of the insight, Rob! It's much appreciated.

  • Real Estate Agent ยท St Petersburg, FL ยท Member since 2020 ยท 3 posts ยท 0 votes
    6y

    Youโ€™re welcome. Keep me posted on how it works out for you. 

  • Jae GreenPro Member
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    Rental Property Investor ยท Kalamazoo, MI (Kalamazoo) ยท Member since 2018 ยท 14 posts ยท 3 votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Adam Daneff:

    Hi Jae, I invest in Kzoo as well. Are you planning to rent to students? Did you purchase it for $87k or that was the amount you financed? 

    @Adam Daneff - So we ended up with $87k as the purchase price and we did a conventional loan with 5% down up front. After our primary residence had sold, we were able to put the remaining 15% down (of the $87k). So the property is financed for $69,600 with mortgage of about $358/month (Home insurance and property tax paid out of pocket). My wife and I are currently trying to focus on creating cashflow with these initial investment properties.

    Yes, our primary target (for now) is at upperclassmen students, post-graduate study students, and students going into medical professions.

  • New to Real Estate ยท Detroit, MI ยท Member since 2019 ยท 41 posts ยท 21 votes
    6y

    Congrats! We are right behind you.. canโ€™t wait.. enjoy the journey

  • Specialist ยท Grand Rapids, MI ยท Member since 2016 ยท 1k+ posts ยท 611 votes
    6y

    @Jae Green When you are doing things like removing a load bearing wall and newer always get actual contractor quotes. 30k with any structural issues or replacements of big issues like a roof, HVAC is hard to stick to on any size house. Those numbers look tight so hope it works out but I don't think removing a load bearing wall is worth the return.

  • Rental Property Investor ยท Charlevoix, MI ยท Member since 2016 ยท 51 posts ยท 13 votes
    6y

     if you are looking for cash flow do not put the $30-60k into the property like you mentioned, put maybe $15k. Add the 3rd bedroom, new flooring throughout if needed, paint, and update kitchen (sand and paint the cupbords, new handles) and bath (new vanity, paint, new light). These won't cost that much but will make a huge difference. 

  • Jae GreenPro Member
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    Rental Property Investor ยท Kalamazoo, MI (Kalamazoo) ยท Member since 2018 ยท 14 posts ยท 3 votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Charles Kao:

    @Jae Green When you are doing things like removing a load bearing wall and newer always get actual contractor quotes. 30k with any structural issues or replacements of big issues like a roof, HVAC is hard to stick to on any size house. Those numbers look tight so hope it works out but I don't think removing a load bearing wall is worth the return.

    @Charles Kao - Thank you so much for your insight! My wife and I are learning fast how much more experience we need to go about thinking/planning like an investor and NOT a primary home owner. I laugh because every bid seems to come in out of line with what we were "estimating", which makes me start to realize that WE were likely not estimating correctly and the contractors aren't trying to rip us off. 

    We are re-organizing our approach, with this down time, to be more efficient thanks to everyone's input from BP. As of now, the portion of the bids to remove the wall seem reasonable but we will see. I'm crossing my fingers but we may have to cut the wall removal from the budget. I foresee more sweat equity than I had originally planned on in my future as well. 

    Thanks again for taking time to read my post and give your insight. I've also listened to the podcast that you were on!

  • Developer ยท Illinois-Wisconsin ยท Member since 2019 ยท 68 posts ยท 17 votes
    6y

    Congrats on all accounts!!!

    Go back to the contractors and see if there is a way to get the job done but with lowering the cost- maybe changing the scope of work. Of course there is certain work you must do, but cutting 5k here and 2k here can add up if its not absolutely necessary. Yes it may be sacrificing less work but is it something you can do later. Your objective is to get the place rented ASAP. Sitting empty is just a cash drain.

    Dennis Gelbart

    My Hassle Free Living

  • Member since 2020 ยท 3 posts ยท 2 votes
    6y

    @Jae Green. I have been an investor in Kalamazoo for over 10 years. Those little 720 houses with two bedrooms, and 2 x 3 walls built in the 50s are pretty common. However your numbers make me nervous. If you paid $82,000, I would not invest another 50 or $60,000, you just will not get a return. Also be cautious about thinking youโ€™re going to get a big return on finishing a basement. Unless there is legal egress, or it is a walkout, an appraiser will give you zero credit for it. It will not affect your value at all. For 60 grand, the only way to get a return, would be to add on on the main level and put a third bedroom and a second bathroom on the house

  • Rental Property Investor ยท Chicago, IL ยท Member since 2019 ยท 11 posts ยท 13 votes
    6y

    @Jae Green

    In regards to the basement renovation are you wanting to creating an additional unit and rent the basement and first floor to separate tenants?

    Is the place livable now without renovating?

    If you can get away with putting just a few k into it , after you get a renter the cash you have could be used to scale up. Sounds like you could grab potential 2 more properties.

  • Jae GreenPro Member
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    Rental Property Investor ยท Kalamazoo, MI (Kalamazoo) ยท Member since 2018 ยท 14 posts ยท 3 votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Jack Gallow:

    However your numbers make me nervous. If you paid $82,000, I would not invest another 50 or $60,000, you just will not get a return. Also be cautious about thinking youโ€™re going to get a big return on finishing a basement. Unless there is legal egress...

    @Jack Gallow - Thanks for your input! I'm learning quick that my budget and approach to the rehab need to be re-evaluated and organized. I may focus on finishing the basement (adding 1 bed and 1 bath) including adding the egress which I neglected to mention in the original post. That way I will be able to add additional cashflow that we can use to put back into the property and slowly make upgrades as they are needed.

  • Jae GreenPro Member
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    Rental Property Investor ยท Kalamazoo, MI (Kalamazoo) ยท Member since 2018 ยท 14 posts ยท 3 votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Luke Treacy:

    ...are you wanting to creating an additional unit and rent the basement and first floor to separate tenants?

    Is the place livable now without renovating?

    If you can get away with putting just a few k into it , after you get a renter the cash you have could be used to scale up. Sounds like you could grab potential 2 more properties.

    @Luke Treacy - To answer your questions: We are going to use this as a student rental so we will be renting out by the room. Ideally 3 separate tenants. Yes, the house is livable now as we are currently living in it as we organize our rehab. Once we have contracts in place we can start the process of starting the hunt for another house for ourselves (potentially more of a primary residence with option to use as rental in the future if we choose to upgrade). I appreciate your insight into putting less into the rehab that will likely not get me the return on investment and putting that money towards another deal, or TWO! 

    Thank you for taking the time to give me your opinion! It makes absolute sense and seems to be on point with everyone else here.

  • Jae GreenPro Member
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    Rental Property Investor ยท Kalamazoo, MI (Kalamazoo) ยท Member since 2018 ยท 14 posts ยท 3 votes
    6y
  • Jae GreenPro Member
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    Rental Property Investor ยท Kalamazoo, MI (Kalamazoo) ยท Member since 2018 ยท 14 posts ยท 3 votes
    6y

    So I wanted to give everyone an update!!!

    We took everyoneโ€™s advice into consideration and we were able to adjust rehab scope of work and bring the cost of the main floor to $20k! We opted to keep the load bearing wall but cut out a pass-through window btw the living room and kitchen which was significantly cheaper and we are going to do some of the finishing jobs such as painting to see if we can bring it down a little further. The rehab started 2 weeks ago!

    We have also installed an egress window in the basement in preparation to finish the basement.

    We found out that there was asbestos under one of the 4 layers of old vinyl sheet flooring! We are awaiting estimates to have it removed versus sealing and laying new sheet vinyl over it (will raise the kitchen floor even more). Not quite sure what to do as Iโ€™d like get it removed and be done with it but would like to not go too far over budget (plan on installing all new floor through the main floor in a few years, so could take care of it then as well.)

    After the main floor is finished, our phase two will be to finish the basement. Will start getting bids on that this fall/winter.

    We also purchased a STR during the stay-at-home order! We have recently started renting that out and I think we are doing fairly well as we have minimal reviews. We are in a desirable vacation area, however. Fingers crossed!

    More updates to come!

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