Buy with Cash from HELOC and payoff or Get a mortgage???

Buy with Cash from HELOC and payoff or Get a mortgage???

Member since 2019 · 4 posts · 0 votes

So right now I have about 65K through a HELOC I am looking to get into my 1st property. So reading on the BRRRR method and talking to some local investors, the opinions are the opposite end of the spectrum....

BRRRR would say, buy a property with the HELOC, rehab, rent and refi it with a 30 yr loan, then repeat.

Talking to two local investors - they strongly advise against leveraging that much on a property because of the risk and stress of having to keep a property rented and making sure the mortgage is covered if its not rented. 

Can someone explain why leveraging all your properties is a good idea? or a bad idea?

Also, talking with a lender they stated if i paid "Cash" out of the HELOC, make sure the property is in my personal name. Then once I refied I could then put the property in my corp. Is this correct? They said if I bought it with cash 1st, they would not be able to refi it since it was in a LLC or S corp.

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  • Whitney HuttenPro Member
    Investor · Boulder, CO · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    7y

    @Brian Ketner I like leverage so I can create "velocity" with my money, and also as asset protection strategy. That said, being overleverage does put you in a predicament in case of a market downturn. However, if you execute the BRRR strategy correctly, you will have less of your own money in a deal and be more protected in a downturn. That said, do you have sufficient reserves just in case you can't get all of your HELOC money out? That way you could pay it off and not have your primary tied to your rental?

  • Member since 2019 · 4 posts · 0 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Whitney Hutten:

    @Brian Ketner I like leverage so I can create "velocity" with my money, and also as asset protection strategy. That said, being overleverage does put you in a predicament in case of a market downturn. However, if you execute the BRRR strategy correctly, you will have less of your own money in a deal and be more protected in a downturn. That said, do you have sufficient reserves just in case you can't get all of your HELOC money out? That way you could pay it off and not have your primary tied to your rental?

    So the lender I would be working with, said I would be able to refi and get up .95 on the LTV. I know I want to leave equity in the property, but if I didnt buy a deal or overshot the rehab, I feel I could get the HELOC back out.

    I have the means from 8-5 job, to pay another mortgage if I needed to and cover the remaining amount of the HELOC if necessary.

    So what would you do? 

  • Mike MoseePro Member
    Investor · Eagle Point, OR · Member since 2011 · 187 posts · 123 votes
    7y

    Use your Heloc.  Cash up front makes it easier to negotiate from strength.    Also the Heloc interest is tax deductible if you use it only for rental.

  • Member since 2019 · 4 posts · 0 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Mike Mosee:

    Use your Heloc.  Cash up front makes it easier to negotiate from strength.    Also the Heloc interest is tax deductible if you use it only for rental.

    Use the HELOC soley and pay it back down with the rent or use HELOC to purchase and then cash out refi?

  • Mike MoseePro Member
    Investor · Eagle Point, OR · Member since 2011 · 187 posts · 123 votes
    7y

    Use Heloc for cash purchase & then refinance. There are mortgage brokers who do not require seasoning but go off of ARV. They are few but that is best way to pull most if not all of money out to pay off Heloc so you can do it again.

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