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Title Issues on Purchase - Advice Needed
I'm in the process of trying to purchase an off-market deal in my neighborhood. I already own one of these, and it's a tremendous cash flow property. During the title search, the following issue came up:
Property is a duplex with approx value of $165k.
- Seller got a loan for $94k in 2000 from Lender A, secured by a deed on the property
- Seller got another loan for $105k in 2002 from Lender A, secured by a deed on the property
- Seller claims that this was a refinance of the original loan, with additional debt rolled in
- Loan docs from the seller suggest this is true, BUT the box labeled "refinance" is not checked
- No modification or release was ever filed for the 2000 deed
- Title policy from the 2002 transaction listed the original 2000 deed as an exception to coverage
- The HUD-1 settlement from 2002 doesn't show any specific payoff of the original note.
- Seller claims that this was a refinance of the original loan, with additional debt rolled in
- The current loan servicer sent a payoff statement that will release the 2002 deed, but no mention of the 2000 deed
I reached the person listed as trustee on the deeds. He was a lawyer, but is no longer practicing, and he said he does not have access to any docs from 17 years ago. He also claims that he "allowed Lender A to use his name," but he doesn't know exactly what they were doing. It seems like he should have been responsible for filing the release or modification when the refinance happened.
I am not sure how to proceed, because my title company will not write an owner's policy, if there isn't a release on the deed from 2000 ($94k). They have offered to write the policy with the 2000 deed as an exception. I don't want that, because it would just create an issue for me when I eventually sell. Lender A is no longer in business, and the servicer doesn't have any records available to show a release of the 2000 deed.
I know that's a lot to digest. Any advice?
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I have a couple comments/questions... won't solve your problem but may eventually give you some comfort.
1. How is it that you have a copy of the title commitment or policy from the 2002 transaction? The only title policy issued in that transaction would have been a lenders policy. If you are relying in your write-up on exceptions that are contained in the 2002 lenders policy, those may not be relevant to your acquisition.
2. If you have a copy of the 2002 HUD, what was the "Cash to borrower" bottom line after the $105k loan from the same Lender A?
3. If the 2002 loan was a modification of the 2000 loan, then the payoff and release of the 2002 lien would release the 2000 lien as well as a matter of law. The 2002 recorded instrument would certainly reference the 2000 instrument if modified so, if possible, pull those docs and confirm.
Report back please.
- Tom Gimer
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