New Investor Please Vet My Plan!

New Investor Please Vet My Plan!

Member since 2018 · 3 posts · 0 votes

Hi BP Community,

Before I dive into the details let me give you a brief background on myself as this will be my first time jumping into the real estate market. I've just been pre-approved for up to 600k to borrow to purchase my first property, I have until mid Feb. until my preapproval expires and I'm 22. I currently work at a Big Four accounting firm for all of you who know what that is and make a modest 80k salary. For my first deal, I'm essentially partnering with my older brother whose 28 and makes 100k, we're both going to be on the loan and splitting the down payment costs, repairs, etc. We're both from Long Island, NY but I currently commute to Philly M-Th for my job and will be doing that for next few months.

We've been thinking about getting into real estate for a while to build long term wealth over time and want to stop waiting and get started. My inspiration comes from my current landlord who bought his multi-family unit 2 floors, 2-3 bedrooms each, with a basement at 23 for 420k, FHA, and mid 3s for interest rate. He is 25 now and doesn't live in the house, it's fully rented, and he's now cash flow positive around $700-$900 per month, awesome guy.

So here's our plan. 

We want to buy a 3 story multi family in Newark, NJ where prices vary neighboorhood by neighboorhood depending on proximity to the trains, buses, schools, major highways, crime rate etc. We want to purchase between 330k - 420k, each floor having around 2-3 bedrooms and one bath, some even have 4 bdr one bath each floor. After using the lovely BP calculators, and scouring multiple sites for comp rents, zillow, mls, rentometer I've concluded the avg. rent for a 3 bdr 1 bath to be between $1400-$1550 depending on the neighboorhood which is decent. Because the neighboorhood is "coming back" most of the homes have been completely renovated in 2016 and up and we've already seen some that have been completely renovated (plumbing, electrical, floors, kitchen) for around 380k and that's where we want to be.

So after accounting for vacancy, cap, and repairs and maintenance percent of around 8-9% we would be looking at around $500-$700 in positive cash flow monthly, plus the $1,100 or so in equity every month give or take if fully rented (all 3 floors). We're planning to do the FHA-30yr, so 3.5% down payment would effectively be between 10-13k (my brother and I would split) and negotiate the seller to pay the closing costs. The local market is also facing a housing shortage and loads of people from NYC, other parts of NJ, and PA are moving to the area fast as its close to NYC ~ 25 mins by PATH train and a lot cheaper than the $2,000 and up rents in NYC. Taxes are also around 7-9k yearly depending on the zip code. Also want to note that these houses are coming with utilities separated from the start, except water.

We think the area will appreciate over the next 5-10 year substantially and will be holding on with the goal of eventually doing a cash out refinance to scale up the portfolio. Our target is to own 2 multiple family units by the end of 2019 starting with one soon if its the right deal. We're going to check out a few more properties this weekend (around 9) with our realtor and our close family friend whose an outstanding contractor.

That's the jist of our plan, tear it apart and please give me some feedback. I consider myself to be "educated" after listening to a few BP podcasts, having a business degree, and obsessing over researching but I'm sure there are things experienced folks may have to offer.

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  • Rental Property Investor · Long Island, NY · Member since 2015 · 490 posts · 301 votes
    7y

    I'm an investor in Newark and the surrounding areas. I think your plan is sound but you need to be very mindful of the areas. I owned a 3 plex like that a couple of years ago (3 beds in each apt) and we were only getting $1,100 and having a hard time collecting that because the area was so rough. Even a fully renovated 3 bed that i own only gets $1,300 because of the area (good neighborhood, bad block) so when you get a property in your sights you may have to re-adjust your rent figures. Once you drill down the particular neighborhoods you want to focus on you'll be able to set a more realistic expectation of what you'll pay and what you'll get. Feel free to reach out if you'd like to chat more.

  • Rental Property Investor · Knoxville, TN · Member since 2017 · 147 posts · 65 votes
    7y

    I agree.  It seems like the deal is a tad tight.  I would recommend some more units for your first deal.

  • Member since 2018 · 3 posts · 0 votes
    7y

    @Allan Szlafrok Thanks for the insight! How long ago have you owned the 3 plex and are you still having trouble collecting rent? Also, how long did it take you to find tenants? From what I've seen the upper and lower vaisburgh and weequaic areas are better than some others. Agree with you point on good neighboorhood, bad block. I'll take that into consideration as well.

    @Peter Pratti 500-700 a month in cash flow after everything is paid off is a tight deal? I'd love to get a four plex but those command higher prices ~ upwards of 450k 

  • Rental Property Investor · Long Island, NY · Member since 2015 · 490 posts · 301 votes
    7y
    @Brandon Mitchell I sold the three plex a while ago. I still own a whole bunch of multi families there and we stIll get the occasional bad tenant. Parts of the north ward tend to be safer (especially north of Bloomfield Ave) and the east ward is great except for being very expensive.
  • Rental Property Investor · Knoxville, TN · Member since 2017 · 147 posts · 65 votes
    7y

    @Brandon Mitchell  Seems like a 5% return if I am reading correctly.  Which could be good for some.  If I was going to get a 5-6% I would want more units and therefore more stability and upside on the sell, but that is just my opinion!

  • Amir PinnixPro Member
    Owings Mills, MD · Member since 2018 · 7 posts · 1 vote
    7y
    @Brandon Mitchell Solid game plan. I have looked at investing in Newark as well. My game plan is very similar to yours regarding numbers. I’m actually from Newark, NJ born and raised but I currently live in Owings Mills, MD outside of Baltimore. I have actually looked at investing in Newark, Baltimore and DC. Currently analyzing all three areas for cash flow or appreciation plays pending location. Newark and Baltimore seem to be very similar interms of block by block good or bad areas to invest. Baltimore, however, seems to be much cheaper but do not offer the large multifamily homes like Newark which is a benefit. DC pending the area can be a appreciation play and some areas such as SE, DC have yet to be fully developed and offer some opportunity. Looking forward to seeing how your plan progresses @brandon.
  • Amir PinnixPro Member
    Owings Mills, MD · Member since 2018 · 7 posts · 1 vote
    7y
    @Allan Szlafrok being an experienced investor in Newark wIth multiple propertIea have you been successful with finding good reliable contractors?
  • Rental Property Investor · Long Island, NY · Member since 2015 · 490 posts · 301 votes
    7y
    @Amir Pinnix Yeah I’ve been pretty fortunate I have a guy who does a good job even though he’s far from cheap. There are some scam artists out there so you need to be careful. Hat being said a lot of people manage the jobs themselves and just hire subs. It’s not that hard and you’ll save money.
  • New York City, NY · Member since 2017 · 22 posts · 11 votes
    7y

    Brandon, your idea sounds solid. I'd only say that you need to not count on appreciation as the area has already appreciated a ton. Interest rates were very low for many years. Home prices are driven in part by interest rates. The lower the rates, the more home someone can afford. As interest rates go up, the price appreciation is less likely to continue. So buy the properties for the current cashflow, potential future revenue increases from raised rents, or things you think you can do to reduce expenses. 

    I also considered Newark when I first started. I remember looking at properties that were priced at 500-600k around 2007 that went down to like 300 in the recession and are back up to 500-600k (looked at pricing history on Zillow and Trulia). Point is that prices are back where they were before the recession. With interest rates increasing, wouldn't want to buy at the top of the market.

  • Rental Property Investor · Prairie Village, KS · Member since 2018 · 90 posts · 16 votes
    7y

    @Brandon Mitchell, am I reading this right as a 3-unit complex? Have you filled out a calculator so we could see all of your assumptions?

    While this style may be ideal have you been able to find anything that fits this criteria?

    It sounds like you're looking for turnkey, but have you all considered buying low and renovating?

    Have you found anything similar local to you that you could consider a house-hack?

  • Retirement Accounts Attorney · Southfield, MI · Member since 2017 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    7y

    @Brandon Mitchell

    Welcome to Bigger Pockets.

  • Rental Property Investor · Jersey City, NJ · Member since 2017 · 104 posts · 53 votes
    7y

    @Brandon Mitchell  I have family in Vailsburg and grew up in nearby South Orange. I'm also looking to close on a 2-family in North Newark later this month. I'd say from what you said that it sounds like a solid plan. The only thing that I am hesitant about is that you should start off with a good sized reserve and it sounds like you're running pretty tight if you're asking the seller to pay closing costs. Make sure that you always account for the unexpected and run your numbers as conservatively as possible without being ridiculous. Also, because Newark is almost a few small cities in one, I'd recommend driving around the areas in which you're looking to invest at different times of the night and day. This should give you a solid idea of what the area is like. Final point (I promise) is that you may want to look on Craigslist for listings in the various areas and reach out to those landlords for their perspective on neighborhoods--they know perhaps more than anybody the types of tenants/headaches you'll deal with. Not all landlords will be willing to help/speak to you, but this has worked for me a few times in the past.

  • Member since 2018 · 3 posts · 0 votes
    7y

    Hi Guys!

    Thank you all for your responses; a lot has happened in the past two weeks but I'm happy to say I've successfully put an offer in today on a property we saw 2.5 weeks ago.

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    Update

    I'm not sure where to start but I was able to go to Newark this past weekend to see 3 more properties in various neighborhoods, the week prior I had saw our first three. Out of the three houses I saw this past weekend, the first was a 3 floor, 3 family for 275k but in terrible condition that would need over 100k worth of work done (think new roof, plumbing, exterior, boiler), and a not so good area. The second house was a fully rented fourplex for 460k with a large basement, it seems like a pretty sound place but it was outside of our price range and had an abandoned house next door with loads of junk outside, no good, plus the neighborhood seemed really dirty and cops everywhere. The third house was a soon to be completely finished renovated 3 floor, 3 family house with a basement, however it also had an abandoned house next door, and they did a really cheap and dirty job renovating it. It looked nice but the floors on the second and third floor seemed to be on a slant, plus the basement had visible holes in it. Not a great sign without factoring in the seller wouldn't be touching the basement at all.

    So in total we were out there for around 4-5 hours and did not like what we saw. Right before we parted ways with the realtor we told her that we wanted to put an offer on the house we saw 2 weeks back and to get the process going. This is where everything got crazy. The realtor called up the listing agent and we found out the same day we wanted to put an offer on the beautiful 3 floor, 3 family completely renovated house with new plumbing, electrical, water heaters, etc. with a driveway and 2 car garage, it received an offer that same day! We were in shock and obviously still to this moment we don't know what that offer is.

    The mad dash to get everything together finally kicked off and in retrospect we should've gotten this done much sooner. We've been scrambling to get our paperwork for underwriting, finding an attorney to be ready for attorney review, and just the whole legality side of things. The good thing is my job covers attorney fees on a purchase of a primary residence so we'll save $1,500 or so. Overall, the process was extremely exhausting and we have been running into hiccups in the process of getting both my brother and my name on the mortgage and title. We've also switched our gears from doing an FHA 3.5% down to a Conventional 5% down. When you look at the numbers for what we're trying to do (i.e. cash out refi or any type of refinance) it doesn't make sense to do FHA, plus the PMI insurance cannot be taken off of FHA loans.

    The block that we're looking to buy on is very clean, the houses look cleaner, the cars on the street look better, and its quiet. We concluded that from visiting the same block twice. This time we also noticed that on one end of the block is a main road that leads to a major highway and the other is a main road close to shopping etc. There's also a really nice fourplex being built a few houses down that looks like a sound investment, maybe if this one doesn't pan out we'll put an offer on that. 

    So the listing price was $369,000, however we don't know what the other offer is so we're offering $375,000, and asking for seller concessions of $10,000 to cover closing fees etc. It's hard to tell if we'll get it but I hope we have a good chance because the other buyer wasn't preapproved at the time and we're all set now. If you look at comps in that neighboorhood which is Weequahic, 370k seems very reasonable for a house of that stature and I honestly think it's worth more in the 385-395k range. Fingers crossed but I hope we get it. At the end of the day our criteria is $150 per door a month after everything is paid and if we get that we'll be happy. 

    Here's the BP breakdown.

    - I saved the breakdown as a PDF because I don't have PRO but I don't think I can attach so here are the numbers

    Monthly Income: $4,400

    Monthly Expenses $3,758.86

    Monthly Cash Flow: $741.14

    Pro Forma Cap: 8.61%

    Total Cash Needed: 21k

    Our monthly vacancy, capex, repair reserve: $675 

    Overall I think when I ran the BP numbers, I underestimated home insurance because 3 families are more expensive. I also think I underestimated taxes by $100 a month. Not sure but if it goes through I can update you all on everything!

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