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Updated over 7 years ago,
Reving up Direct Marketing Campaign for 3+ unit apartm & SFRs
First off I'm in Los Angeles and I'm trying to purchase these houses to flip and apartments for buy and hold. I've had a decent amount of success buying and holding (SFR-apts) as well as flipping. Everyone here knows we're in a hot market, MLS houses sell for $450-800k retail in the areas I'm searching. I'm looking for 70% ARV deals (in general)
I've had mail campaigns years ago only to have them sour out (I admit a lot of them I just didn't follow up on because I got into another project-like a large scale flip/rehab/dev). I've also done a lot of driving for dollars and door knocking, especially in the neighborhoods where I flip. For instance a few years ago I had house flip in Northeast LA that I purchased off the MLS for mid 3s and resold in high 5s, which was my largest margin SFR flip to date. Since then I've bought some value ad apartments, doing a few more flips, B&H, which are overall doing well, but have also been a pain in the rear.
I'm finding the margins just aren't there especially for any distressed properties on the MLS. These distressed properties are selling for like 90% of ARV making there zero margin for fix/flip.
Do any locals have advice who do direct marketing, D4D, off market deals?
One issue I've had in the past is I have issues with coming off like I'm a vulture or con man. I obviously don't want to do that, I just want to purchase distressed properties, put in the construction costs and make some sort of margin...in this difficult market.
In the past I've met with owner/sellers just haven't had many convert to a purchase. Some I've just ended up giving the owner advice and suggested they short sell or do a loan modification, because it didn't make sense for me to buy it with their numbers. This took a lot of my time and time's money!
Out of thousands of mailers, dropping off letters on doors ,yellow letters, business cards, post cards, EDDMs, and occasional door knocks [i am kinda a shy person so this is only if I'm in the mood or feeling esp driven ;-)])
I just haven't had much success at direct marketing. My direct mails in Los Angeles and Long Beach tend to have a response rate around 1% or perhaps less. Most of my deals have come from real estate agents (distressed properties, or short sales), network, or straight off the MLS.
Perhaps I need to scale the direct marketing up?
Anyone in LA or OC coastal area just doing volume direct marketing and killing it?
I'm just afraid of wasting more money on something that I'm not even sure works... or that I'm just totally messing up on. Or perhaps it is true that the coastal Los Angeles market is too saturated. The margins don't seem to be there. I don't think this is a bubble, but real estate here is getting unaffordable--that being said the demand is there and always will be in Coastal CA. I understand that it could be my negotiation or meeting with sellers that is the problem as well. Perhaps I need to change markets to out of state, or perhaps more inland.
Despite my last paragraph about the pessimism of direct marketing, I'm always willing to try different things if the opportunity is there.