Realistically, what could I afford in Baltimore?

Realistically, what could I afford in Baltimore?

New York, NY · Member since 2016 · 15 posts · 10 votes

Alright, so I am a New Yorker born and raised and I have always wanted to own a row home. Being that price in NYC are prohibitively expensive (let's not even go there... lol) I realize my dream of home ownership (as in my own brownstone or row home) will probably never happen here an that is okay.

Initially I was thinking about sub30k properties but I just don't want to put that much work in for a property I probably wouldn't keep for 30+ years.

So I've been looking at places to buy in the near future. Possible contenders were Philadelphia, Harrisburg (quickly x'ed out because I heard it's just not safe though I looooove the old housing stock), Albany, Buffalo, Troy, Rochester, Pittsburgh and Baltimore. I think my heart is set on Baltimore. It also seems to make sense financially: you can buy a 4-plex for under 400k, take out an FHA loan (probably not what I'd want to do--I'd want to put down 20%) and rent out all four units.

Am I crazy or is Baltimore a good market right now? If you guys know of any towns on the east coast with lots of row houses and a somewhat lively downtown, even if very small, let me know.

Let's say, hypothetically, I had 80k to use in savings, made 80k a year and had good credit (700+). Could I afford a 4-plex in a decent enough area of Baltimore to pay for my mortgage, build up equity, and put at least a thousand back into savings each month? Or is this a total pipe dream? Please smack me in the face with reality as hard as you want, guys!

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Manassas, VA · Member since 2016 · 74 posts · 15 votes
10y

There are two problems. First, there aren't really that many multifamily homes. You could totally buy several houses in a row, if that is your plan, though.

The second is that many, many parts of Baltimore are street by street. You can buy a townhouse for $4000, but it may not be a wise idea. The multiple trips down are a very good idea.

I'd check into some of the meetups in the Baltimore area. There are several, and would be invaluable to you.

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  • Chris SeveneyBusiness Member
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    Investor · VA · Member since 2015 · 21k+ posts · 19k+ votes
    10y
    In order to pick a place to invest you need to understand the area. Outsiders trying to invest in Baltimore without doing any due diligence and knowing the local market I would guess have a 0-1% chance of success.
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  • New York, NY · Member since 2016 · 15 posts · 10 votes
    10y

    Of course. That goes without saying for sure. I intend on taking many trips down. But for the purposes of this thread, I am talking money: could I realistically afford a multi-family home in an okay area of Baltimore?

  • Manassas, VA · Member since 2016 · 74 posts · 15 votes
    10y

    There are two problems. First, there aren't really that many multifamily homes. You could totally buy several houses in a row, if that is your plan, though.

    The second is that many, many parts of Baltimore are street by street. You can buy a townhouse for $4000, but it may not be a wise idea. The multiple trips down are a very good idea.

    I'd check into some of the meetups in the Baltimore area. There are several, and would be invaluable to you.

  • Newport News, VA · Member since 2016 · 18 posts · 4 votes
    10y

    Hey Audra,

    I recently purchased my first property in Baltimore, and like everyone said it is pertinent to either learn the area or find someone that does. I live in Va beach and found a property management company and realtor from Baltimore to help me find a property on a "quiet street" that I could afford. I'm only a few months in, but so far so good. Without their advice, I would have been in way over my head, in an area I probably couldn't handle, especially remotely. 

    Brian

  • Rental Property Investor · Baltimore, MD · Member since 2016 · 109 posts · 31 votes
    10y

    Hey Brian 

    I'm also new to BP and looking to learn about the Baltimore market. 

    Would love to catch up and learn how you got up to speed on the market.

    Thanks, Obi

  • Real Estate Agent · Mechanicsburg, PA · Member since 2014 · 529 posts · 217 votes
    10y

    FHA is only for owner occupiant. If it's an investment property, usually banks require at a minimum 20-25% down payment

  • Russell BrazilBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Agent · Washington, D.C. · Member since 2012 · 17k+ posts · 30k+ votes
    10y

    With your salary you will have no issue buying a rowhouse in a nice area of Baltimore and be able to get a pretty nice house. However the nicer areas typically don't have mfh's. Those are generally not in the desire able parts of the city (in general)

  • New York, NY · Member since 2016 · 15 posts · 10 votes
    10y

    Thanks guys! I do know that FHA loans are for owner occupants, hence the multi-family question.

    I've done some googling and have found some really, really nice MFHs in (what seem to be) nice areas of Baltimore going for about 350k. Am I allowed to post links on here? 

  • New York, NY · Member since 2016 · 15 posts · 10 votes
    10y

    Here are some links:

    http://home.kingoftheroost.com/idx/details/listing...

    http://home.kingoftheroost.com/idx/details/listing...

    http://home.kingoftheroost.com/idx/details/listing...

    http://home.kingoftheroost.com/idx/details/listing/a004/BA9625005/2804-SAINT-PAUL-ST

    These are the types of properties I am interested in. 

  • Baltimore, MD · Member since 2015 · 30 posts · 6 votes
    10y

    @Audra De Falco Mt. Vernon is one of the better areas of Baltimore City, along with Canton, Fells Point, and Federal Hill.  

  • Ned CareyPro Member
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    Investor · Baltimore, MD · Member since 2008 · 17k+ posts · 13k+ votes
    10y

    @Audra De Falco  Those are nice and very solid areas of baltimore.The problem is I don't see them cash flowing. You are not quite hitting the 1% test and with an estimated 50% expenses I don't see where the cash flow is going to come from. This means you are counting on appreciation of rent and property value. 

    The good news Is I don't see having the problems with tenants that you would typically have in much of Baltimore.

    The 1811 Saint Paul may fall in the Station North arts district which is a very up and coming area.

  • Ned CareyPro Member
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    Investor · Baltimore, MD · Member since 2008 · 17k+ posts · 13k+ votes
    10y
    Originally posted by @Russell Brazil:

     However the nicer areas typically don't have mfh's. Those are generally not in the desire able parts of the city (in general)

    Russel you are right about the nice areas around the edge of the city.  However many of the very old stable neighborhoods do have small muti-families.  Particularly the large streets in Mount Vernon, butchers hill, Bolton Hill, and Charles village seem to have  lot of them. 

  • Investor · Washington, DC · Member since 2016 · 21 posts · 6 votes
    10y
    Property tax in baltimore will eat you alive !
  • New York, NY · Member since 2016 · 15 posts · 10 votes
    10y

    Is there any place in the northeast where someone like me could purchase a multi-unit row home and make (even modest) cash flow? It's just always been my dream to purchase one...

  • Ned CareyPro Member
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    Investor · Baltimore, MD · Member since 2008 · 17k+ posts · 13k+ votes
    10y

    @Audra De Falco I think right now is probably the worst time to buy multi family since I stated investing. Demand is high for them, supply is modest, and the people that have them aren't interested in selling. Right now in Baltimore SFHs (well rowhouses really) are getting better returns that multi family. It is actually cheaper to buy then to rent in Baltimore. 

    Some of the properties you mentioned may cash flow modestly but you would have to do an analysis with actual numbers. It wouldn't hit the kind of return I want. I was actually surprised that those prices weren't higher. 

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