Rent out house and bleed for a while or sell it and hemorrhage once?

Rent out house and bleed for a while or sell it and hemorrhage once?

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Moved to Austin for work and purchased a home in 2021 with just under 4% interest rate. Due to circumstances at the time I was able to put 0% down without PMI. Fast forwards to 2025 and I need to move again for work. Since purchasing the home, housing market in my area has declined about 20%. This puts the home underwater.

I've calculated the following two options:

  1. To sell the house, it would cost me about $60,000
    out of pocket.
  2. To rent the home, I would lose about $2,500 per month (based on comparable rents in my area, property management fees, etc).

Both options loose the same amount by roughly 2 years, and by this time, I still will not have built up much more equity in the home to make selling it a break even unless there is price appreciation by then.

My dilemma is this: I speculate that my home will not appreciate much in the next 3-5 years due to the rapid pace of development in the surrounding area.

In 5-10+ years, maybe, but by then I'll have bled $150,000 - $300,000.

I have thought about this a lot and feel that I mar'-too close to the problem to see the best solution.

Any constructive advice would be much appreciated.

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Real Estate Broker · Coppell, TX · Member since 2011 · 5k+ posts · 4k+ votes
1y

Sell it now and take the L.  This sucks but it does happen.  See if you can negotiate some selling or moving expenses with the company hiring you. 

Just no guarantee if things get better or worse in your neighborhood.   Is the loan assumable?  That could help your cause.  Check with your lender and what they would require.

Think of everything you can to make it win-win for the buyer.  Can you include furniture or fridge or washer and dryer?  Can you include all the lawn and yard care?  Have a timeshare or airline miles to throw in.  Season tickets to UT football?  Be creative.

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  • Real Estate Agent · Kansas City · Member since 2018 · 4k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    1y

    Man. Tough pill to swallow. If you have the money set aside I would swallow the pill now. Dallas should recover so I would think it will appreciate over the next few years. How much, don't know. Bad part about low money programs people don't talk about, before 2022 this would not be a factor

  • Real Estate Broker · Coppell, TX · Member since 2011 · 5k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    1y

    Sell it now and take the L.  This sucks but it does happen.  See if you can negotiate some selling or moving expenses with the company hiring you. 

    Just no guarantee if things get better or worse in your neighborhood.   Is the loan assumable?  That could help your cause.  Check with your lender and what they would require.

    Think of everything you can to make it win-win for the buyer.  Can you include furniture or fridge or washer and dryer?  Can you include all the lawn and yard care?  Have a timeshare or airline miles to throw in.  Season tickets to UT football?  Be creative.

  • New to Real Estate · Denver, CO · Member since 2021 · 2 posts · 6 votes
    1y

    How about selling it subject to (sub2)? Someone might be willing to purchase with negative equity if they are able to take over your <4% rate with basically nothing down. I've never done one personally but my understanding is it involves the home being put into a trust, with the sub2 purchaser buying the trust from you. I think this removes the mortgage from your DTI, but there may be a waiting period. It's been a while since I researched it.

    Someone in the Pace Morby community may be able to help. You'd probably want a real estate attorney familiar with creative transactions to help with the documents. 

    Someone here can probably speak more intelligently on the process too.

  • Bruce WoodruffPro Member
    Contractor/Investor/Consultant · San Diego / Phoenix · Member since 2021 · 12k+ posts · 15k+ votes
    1y

    I like to rip off the bandage in situations like this. Maybe pay a financial advisor for an hour of his time first in case there is an alternative that you have not seen yet?

  • T. Alan CeshkerPro Member
    Attorney · 3409 Executive Center Drive Ste 110 Austin, Texas 78731 · Member since 2020 · 99 posts · 92 votes
    1y
    Quote from @Ryan Mcpherson:

    Moved to Austin for work and purchased a home in 2021 with just under 4% interest rate. Due to circumstances at the time I was able to put 0% down without PMI. Fast forwards to 2025 and I need to move again for work. Since purchasing the home, housing market in my area has declined about 20%. This puts the home underwater.

    I've calculated the following two options:

    1. To sell the house, it would cost me about $60,000
      out of pocket.
    2. To rent the home, I would lose about $2,500 per month (based on comparable rents in my area, property management fees, etc).

    Both options loose the same amount by roughly 2 years, and by this time, I still will not have built up much more equity in the home to make selling it a break even unless there is price appreciation by then.

    My dilemma is this: I speculate that my home will not appreciate much in the next 3-5 years due to the rapid pace of development in the surrounding area.

    In 5-10+ years, maybe, but by then I'll have bled $150,000 - $300,000.

    I have thought about this a lot and feel that I mar'-too close to the problem to see the best solution.

    Any constructive advice would be much appreciated.


    Ryan 

    Sorry to hear of your situation - I will say it is somewhat common due to the market run up back then.

    Shoot me your info and let me take a look at all.  I have several assumption buyers as well as some investors who pay above market for a 4% interest rate.

    Thanks 

    Alan
  • Drew SygitBusiness Member
    Property Manager · Royal Oak, MI · Member since 2012 · 12k+ posts · 9k+ votes
    1y

    @Ryan Mcpherson

    BE VERY CAREFUL IF SELLING "SUBJECT-TO"!

    It can be done ethically, but you need safeguards to confirm mortgage & possibly property tax payments made on-time, as well as insurance with you protected.
    - Also, you need a legal way to take back the deed if buyer defaults!
    - Land Contract would be better:)

    Question: how are you going to lose $2500/month if you rent?
    What did you pay for it?
    What do you owe?
    What is PITI?

  • Jay HurstBusiness Member
    Lender · Dallas, TX · Member since 2017 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    1y
    Quote from @Ryan Mcpherson:

    Moved to Austin for work and purchased a home in 2021 with just under 4% interest rate. Due to circumstances at the time I was able to put 0% down without PMI. Fast forwards to 2025 and I need to move again for work. Since purchasing the home, housing market in my area has declined about 20%. This puts the home underwater.

    I've calculated the following two options:

    1. To sell the house, it would cost me about $60,000
      out of pocket.
    2. To rent the home, I would lose about $2,500 per month (based on comparable rents in my area, property management fees, etc).

    Both options loose the same amount by roughly 2 years, and by this time, I still will not have built up much more equity in the home to make selling it a break even unless there is price appreciation by then.

    My dilemma is this: I speculate that my home will not appreciate much in the next 3-5 years due to the rapid pace of development in the surrounding area.

    In 5-10+ years, maybe, but by then I'll have bled $150,000 - $300,000.

    I have thought about this a lot and feel that I mar'-too close to the problem to see the best solution.

    Any constructive advice would be much appreciated.

     @Ryan Mcpherson 100% financing with no MI so I assume a VA mortgage? Is that corect?

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  • Member since 2020 · 69 posts · 25 votes
    1y

    @Ryan Mcpherson

    Why not to foreclose? Which area are you in?

  • T. Alan CeshkerPro Member
    Attorney · 3409 Executive Center Drive Ste 110 Austin, Texas 78731 · Member since 2020 · 99 posts · 92 votes
    1y
    Quote from @Drew Sygit:

    @Ryan Mcpherson

    BE VERY CAREFUL IF SELLING "SUBJECT-TO"!

    It can be done ethically, but you need safeguards to confirm mortgage & possibly property tax payments made on-time, as well as insurance with you protected.
    - Also, you need a legal way to take back the deed if buyer defaults!
    - Land Contract would be better:)

    Question: how are you going to lose $2500/month if you rent?
    What did you pay for it?
    What do you owe?
    What is PITI?


    Careful going outside state lines -- contract for deed is not allowed in Texas.

    The loan documents always have right to foreclose and recover property.  Also, the foreclosure process in Texas is a quick 41 to 50 day process.

    Lastly, Texas has passed mortgage wrap legislation to help on these.  Things are very different in Texas for wraps these days - different in a good way.

    Stay safe out there

    Alan
  • Real Estate Broker · Jacksonville FL & Middletown, CT · Member since 2008 · 1k+ posts · 633 votes
    1y

    Taking the loss now is preferable to paying out monthly for the privilege of being a landlord. The only other option I see is a short sale, if you don't need to purchase for a few years and don't mind a temporary credit hit to save the $60k.  

  • Real Estate Broker · Coppell, TX · Member since 2011 · 5k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    1y

    I didn't think COD is illegal in Texas, just perhaps not recommended anymore, because it is difficult to comply with the rules or regulations.  I could be wrong.  
    Subchapter D of Chapter 5 of the Texas Property Code

    @Ryan Mcpherson Stay away from Sub2 Sharks. That is a situation good for them, but likely not good for you. Your credit at risk and might affect your ability to buy a home in the future. LOTS of sellers got burned back during the foreclosure crisis with Sub2 deals. Buyer rents it to a dead beat, pockets the cash, doesn't pay the mortgage and boom the foreclosure goes on your name.

    @Olga Daisel, why would you let it go to foreclosure?  Kills your credit.  Might prevent him from buying another home for several years.

  • T. Alan CeshkerPro Member
    Attorney · 3409 Executive Center Drive Ste 110 Austin, Texas 78731 · Member since 2020 · 99 posts · 92 votes
    1y

    If there is an existing lender not agreeing in writing to accept payments from the LPO buyer, then you are in violation of the statute -- and it is a very toothy statute -- vs the seller/landlord side only though

    We are getting ready to get one in place because the seller is demanding it and my client is the protected buyer.

    Yes -- you must vet your sub to buyers -- some should not be anywhere near a wrap transaction.

    Stay safe out there

    Alan

  • Investor · Get yourself trained before doing something inadvisable. · Member since 2024 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    1y
    Quote from @Ryan Mcpherson:

    Moved to Austin for work and purchased a home in 2021 with just under 4% interest rate. Due to circumstances at the time I was able to put 0% down without PMI. Fast forwards to 2025 and I need to move again for work. Since purchasing the home, housing market in my area has declined about 20%. This puts the home underwater.

    I've calculated the following two options:

    1. To sell the house, it would cost me about $60,000
      out of pocket.
    2. To rent the home, I would lose about $2,500 per month (based on comparable rents in my area, property management fees, etc).

    Both options loose the same amount by roughly 2 years, and by this time, I still will not have built up much more equity in the home to make selling it a break even unless there is price appreciation by then.

    My dilemma is this: I speculate that my home will not appreciate much in the next 3-5 years due to the rapid pace of development in the surrounding area.

    In 5-10+ years, maybe, but by then I'll have bled $150,000 - $300,000.

    I have thought about this a lot and feel that I mar'-too close to the problem to see the best solution.

    Any constructive advice would be much appreciated.

    There is a knowledgeable real estate attorney in your area commenting in this thread. Hire him for an hour or two and follow the advice. Don't go to someone on Youtube that isn't an attorney for this one. You have to know/think about the consequences downline, long after you "solve" this dilemma.
  • Investor · San Antonio, TX · Member since 2009 · 106 posts · 50 votes
    1y

    Do a wrap. Include balloon payment after 5 years. Get a big downpayment so that the buyer doesn't end up in the same situation 5 years from now. I'm in San Antonio. I've done lots of subtos and wraps. I've also been in a similar situation in the past and solved it with a wrap. Either way, run your proposed solution through an attorney. Happy to chat more if it would help. 

  • Investor · San Antonio, TX · Member since 2009 · 106 posts · 50 votes
    1y

    Also see if monthly gap might be lower as a mid- or short-term rental. AirDNA or FurnishedFinder.

  • Investor · Get yourself trained before doing something inadvisable. · Member since 2024 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    1y
    Quote from @Ram Gonzales:

    Do a wrap. Include balloon payment after 5 years. Get a big downpayment so that the buyer doesn't end up in the same situation 5 years from now. I'm in San Antonio. I've done lots of subtos and wraps. I've also been in a similar situation in the past and solved it with a wrap. Either way, run your proposed solution through an attorney. Happy to chat more if it would help. 

    What was your backup plan on the Wrap, if the buyer stopped paying on the underlying mortgage?
  • Investor · San Antonio, TX · Member since 2009 · 106 posts · 50 votes
    1y

    I continue making the underlying mortgage payment myself (autopay) and get reimbursed from the borrowers payment. I use a loan servicer who processes the borrowers payment and then sends to me. If they stop paying, I foreclose, but still keep making my payment to the underlying lender. I get made whole by the down payment from the next buyer. 

  • Investor · Get yourself trained before doing something inadvisable. · Member since 2024 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    1y
    Quote from @Ram Gonzales:

    I continue making the underlying mortgage payment myself (autopay) and get reimbursed from the borrowers payment. I use a loan servicer who processes the borrowers payment and then sends to me. If they stop paying, I foreclose, but still keep making my payment to the underlying lender. I get made whole by the down payment from the next buyer. 

    Nice. I was hoping you'd say that you'd keep making the underlying payment even if you weren't getting paid.

  • Investor · San Antonio, TX · Member since 2009 · 106 posts · 50 votes
    1y

    Absolutely. Best practice is to keep one or two payments in reserve from the buyers down payment for such instances.

  • Wholesaler, Rehabber and Landlord · San Antonio, TX · Member since 2014 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    1y

    There are plenty of people who want to get into a home. YOU just have to market to the right people. Maybe talk with some realtors who have people who cannot get a loan because they are self employed, but have plenty of down payment. Maybe put a sign in the yard and see what happens. Talk to friends and neighbors and ask them who do they know that wants to be in the area.

    I think you can find someone to wrap your mortgage to at or just above your loan balance and maybe a point or two higher than your mortgage. Balloons are not allowed to owner occupants, but you can raise the interest rate at 5 years.

    You should be able to at least get out clean in Austin. Dont go to the regular retail realtor who only deals with FHA or conventional mortgages like 80%+ of the people. You have to find the less than 20% people and realtors who deal with more difficult situations. Call if you need some help. I am down the road in SA.

  • Jordan MoorheadBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Austin, TX · Member since 2015 · 5k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    1y
    Quote from @Ryan Mcpherson:

    Moved to Austin for work and purchased a home in 2021 with just under 4% interest rate. Due to circumstances at the time I was able to put 0% down without PMI. Fast forwards to 2025 and I need to move again for work. Since purchasing the home, housing market in my area has declined about 20%. This puts the home underwater.

    I've calculated the following two options:

    1. To sell the house, it would cost me about $60,000
      out of pocket.
    2. To rent the home, I would lose about $2,500 per month (based on comparable rents in my area, property management fees, etc).

    Both options loose the same amount by roughly 2 years, and by this time, I still will not have built up much more equity in the home to make selling it a break even unless there is price appreciation by then.

    My dilemma is this: I speculate that my home will not appreciate much in the next 3-5 years due to the rapid pace of development in the surrounding area.

    In 5-10+ years, maybe, but by then I'll have bled $150,000 - $300,000.

    I have thought about this a lot and feel that I mar'-too close to the problem to see the best solution.

    Any constructive advice would be much appreciated.


     I'm willing to talk and help you explore options for both renting and selling.

  • Ryan KellyBusiness Member
    Real Estate Broker · Austin, TX · Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    1y

    @Ryan Mcpherson as others have stated, you have a few options, but almost all of them will lean toward a sale one way or another. If you keep it as an investment property, a lot may depend on your location and condition. Are you in the city or in a suburb, for example? Happy to connect and provide some feedback if interested.

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  • Ronald RohdePro Member
    Attorney · Dallas, TX · Member since 2016 · 5k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    1y

    I think you posted on Reddit too? 

    Sell, rip the bandaid

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