HELOC - preparing to apply

HELOC - preparing to apply

Investor · Orange County, CA · Member since 2018 · 42 posts · 16 votes

Hi folks, I have some comments/questions regarding how to best prepare when applying to a heloc.  For the last two years, I applied to a heloc at the same bank and was basically laughed out the door.  This year, I was very much welcomed and my heloc was finalized this week in record time.  The difference?  Work that my accountant did to clean up my Schedule E.  

Turns out, heloc underwriters are trained to use the Schedule E as one of their main sources of information, more so than any leases or receipts you might include as part of your application.  This is because the Schedule E is obtained independently, and few people would inflate their rental income in that form (and pay more taxes than they should).  I understand underwriters add up all categories except Mortgage Interest, Taxes, Insurance, and Depreciation - everything else is counted as expenses for the property.  

Up to now I aimed to maximize the Repairs and Supplies categories of my Schedule E, to make sure I have as large a deduction as possible.  This is fine for deductions, but it looks terrible in a loan application.  What my accountant did is, she declared most of these as Capital Expenditures, then she turned around and depreciated them in one year per the 2017 tax cuts and jobs act.  Since the underwriter ignores the Depreciation category, the expenses disappeared, voilà.  

What other advice would you give someone preparing to apply for a heloc or home equity loan?  These second position loans are becoming ever more important, since nobody wants to give up their 3% primary mortgage. 

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  • Nathan GesnerBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Broker · Cody, WY · Member since 2010 · 28k+ posts · 41k+ votes
    2y
    Quote from @German E.:

    I don't recommend using a HELOC or cashing out equity in today's market. If you borrow money against one property to purchase another property, it puts you at 100% leverage and one property is dependent on the other. If Property B fails, it can impact Property A and the whole house of cards comes tumbling down.

    It's also hard to make the numbers work. You borrow the down payment at 7% interest, then you borrow at 7% interest to purchase the new investment. You have borrowed 100% of the purchase price at 7%. Where can you find a property that produces a positive return in that scenario?

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  • Investor · Orange County, CA · Member since 2018 · 42 posts · 16 votes
    2y

    Hi Nathan - I agree that there are potential pitfalls when considering a heloc as an option, as you pointed out.  But sometimes the numbers can still work in that case.  For instance, the heloc property could be a rental that is producing enough cash flow to make the heloc payments, so it can pay for itself and not depend on the other purchase.   Or it could be a primary home with a low interest rate and plenty of equity, that could be tapped for a down payment.

  • Investor · Orange County, CA · Member since 2018 · 42 posts · 16 votes
    2y

    Regarding the problem you mentioned of 100% leverage, it definitely makes it harder to pencil in an investment when you're effectively borrowing 100% of the funds. But, it is no different from implementing the BRRR strategy so vaunted in Biggerpockets. You buy a first property, and when you refinance to get equity out you're effectively borrowing the money for the downpayment and paying interest on it. It is harder than having the money saved up, but not a lot of people have the money for a downpayment ready to go. I guess your argument is that this is particularly tricky in the current high-interest, high-price environment, which is a point well taken.

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