Should We Sell a Cash-flowing Rental?

Should We Sell a Cash-flowing Rental?

Member since 2023 · 3 posts · 1 vote

Hi All, 

Looking for some advice here. We currently own 3 rentals - 2 single families in the Philly suburbs and a condo in Boston. We bought one of the single-family properties in 2022 right when interest rates started to pick up (ours is 4.375%). It's in a great location on the Main Line (Philadelphia Suburbs). Great schools, walking distance to shops and the train, 15 mins from the city. We did some work updating it and got it rented just a few days after putting it on the market. The property is cash flowing decently, but it's an old home (1920's), and has required more maintenance than our other rentals. And it's a twin. Our current adjoining neighbor is great and maintains her property, but there is always the fear that she'll sell at some point and who knows who the next person would be. Further, we moved out of state and have been self-managing the property from about 6 hours (drive) away - not ideal. 

The current lease ends 8/31, and we're weighing our options. 

1. We renew the lease with the current tenants as they've been stress-free the past year. (Probably our first choice)

2. They decide not to renew and we put it back on the market - potentially hiring a property manager given the distance - and cutting into our profits. We'd probably just break even, maybe slightly ahead on cash flow in that scenario. 

3. Sell it. With the work we've done and the competetiveness of the local market, our realtor thinks we could sell for at least $550K. Accounting for taxes, fees, etc. - both for the purchase and sale - our net profit on the home would be $50K - $60K. Not bad for 1.5 years, but we lose that asset and aren't in a position to 1031 exchange the profit - meaning a rather substantial tax bill. 

On the flip side (no pun intended), we bought the house during an equally competitive time and waived inspections. While the house hasn't given us any major challenges, given its age, who knows what could be lurking under the surface. We think we could sell it with waived inspections again and avoid any potential headaches the home might bring down the line. We'd also take some weight off our shoulders by managing a property out-of-state, and we'd get our down payment plus the profit back post-sale, and have about $150K for a future purchase. (We'd probably put it in a short-term CD for now at ~5% as we plan to buy a new home next year). 


Our intentions were to buy and hold this house (as was the case with each of our rentals), but life happens and circumstances change. We've really been going back and forth on what to do here - hold and maintain it as a rental one way or another, or sell it for a small profit and to avoid some current and potential future headaches. We'd love to get some advice, thoughts, feedback from the BP experts! 

Thanks!

Josh

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Investor · Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2013 · 8k+ posts · 10k+ votes
3y

You sell for $550k pay $50k in selling costs, make $50k and pay $15k? In taxes?  So you give this uo to make $35k? How long would it take for the property to make $35k in profit? (Not cashflow, profit.)

Ps. If you buy another $550k property at 6.5-7% interest that means paying $10k per year in additional interest over 4.6%. So in 3-4 years you’ve spent $40-50k in selling costs and $15k in taxes and the $35k in “profit” is gone to higher interest rates. All in the process of buying an unknown property in the future instead of the so far trouble free one you already own. Doesn’t seem ideal. 

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  • Real Estate Agent · Kansas City · Member since 2018 · 4k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    3y

    I'd hold till you can 1031. If you don't like managing hire a local PM, they are worth it. If the maintenance hasn't been crazy then you can hold for a little longer. The tax bill from the proceeds would eat profit up.

  • Investor · Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2013 · 8k+ posts · 10k+ votes
    3y

    You sell for $550k pay $50k in selling costs, make $50k and pay $15k? In taxes?  So you give this uo to make $35k? How long would it take for the property to make $35k in profit? (Not cashflow, profit.)

    Ps. If you buy another $550k property at 6.5-7% interest that means paying $10k per year in additional interest over 4.6%. So in 3-4 years you’ve spent $40-50k in selling costs and $15k in taxes and the $35k in “profit” is gone to higher interest rates. All in the process of buying an unknown property in the future instead of the so far trouble free one you already own. Doesn’t seem ideal. 

  • Alecia LovelessPro Member
    Member since 2019 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    3y

    @Joshua Arsenault I’d plan to hold on to it for now. If you’re concerned about the systems and potential future repairs as well as a potential future inspection get in touch with you realtor and ask them for their most thorough, nit picky building inspector and have an inspection done just for yourself. Unless you’re afraid of turning up a major defect that you might have to disclose at a later date. Then I might consider having a good general contractor giving the house and it’s systems a walk through and see if the contractor spots anything. My contractor walks through all my properties before I make an offer on them and then I have an inspection once we reach the contract stage. And yes he’s found things that have made me shut down deals immediately after the initial viewing.

    I think the devil you know is sometimes better than the one you don’t know and you might be better off keeping the house you know and talking to the neighbor and letting her know if she ever wants to sell to please contact you first because you might be interested in buying her side. Even if you don’t want to buy it you’ll at least get a heads up and some time to plan because if will take a little while for a new owner to run it into the ground.

  • Property Manager · Baltimore, MD · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    3y

    Personally I'd renew your current tenant (assuming they are good tenants, which it sounds like they are. If they don't want to renew I'm selling the property as I don't want to hold anything that doesn't cashflow.

    Good luck!

  • Alan AsriantsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2019 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    3y

    I understand your situation of now wanting to own an asset that old. 

    But the reality is, is if the Cap Ex is newer there shouldn't be much to worry about. 

    When was the electrical redone? The plumbing? the roof? etc?

    If you have original cast iron plumbing, knob and tube wiring, and a 20 year old roof, maybe it would make sense to sell at the peak right now. Replacing those items alone can cost you 50k


    If all of those items have been recently redone, then I would consider holding. Main line is a great area that should keep appreciating.

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  • Michael SmytheBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Metro Detroit · Member since 2023 · 4k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    3y

    Suggest you have a professional inspection done.

    This will tell you what's potentially wrong with the property. You can use this info to determine what you want to fix to hold or to sell (buyers will inspect and negotiate flaws in price).

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  • Real Estate Agent · Philadelphia · Member since 2022 · 74 posts · 33 votes
    3y

    Joshua, "

    Even though it has been a bit of a headache. I think it is 100% worth keeping. If you have a positive cashflow after all the maintenance issues, its worth it to hold on. When the market is "HOT" again, then i would take that as the window to sell. You can get bid up in price and you will have more equity in the property. 

  • Member since 2023 · 3 posts · 1 vote
    3y

    Thanks everyone! This is really helpful. I think we knew holding a little longer would make the most sense - but the potential short-term $$ and the opportunity to divest from an asset that we aren’t sure about it’s long term needs was making us second guess.

    I think we were also contemplating the eventual, inevitable housing correction and thinking if it’s around the corner, maybe having the cash in hand now from the sale would be better than seeing the equity dissolve and have to wait for it to build back up. We want to be in a strong position financially for a correction to play offense when things hit bottom - but of course, nobody knows when that will actually happen. But it has to happen sometime, no? 

  • Real Estate Broker · Kansas City Metro · Member since 2015 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    3y

    If you have owned it for a year and intended to rent and keep it for awhile it may qualify for a 1031 exchange, especially if you collected rent for a year or so. I would reach out to @Dave Foster who can help. 

    hope that helps! I am partial to KC but love seeing 1031 exchanges grow wealth!

  • Dave FosterBusiness Member
    Qualified Intermediary for 1031 Exchanges · St. Petersburg, FL · Member since 2013 · 9k+ posts · 9k+ votes
    3y

    Well said @Bill B., @Joshua Arsenault, Nothing will kill your joy (and ruin years of cash flow in an instant) like an undiscovered capital repair expense.  This is one the most frequent reasons for doing a 1031 exchange - to sell a property that is either underperforming or has a large capital repair risk and buy a property that is more predictable.

    It sounds like you've established your intent well.  Barring any surprises this should qualify for a 1031 exchange if you choose to go that route.

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    Rock Star Extraordinaire · Northeast, TN · Member since 2015 · 10k+ posts · 16k+ votes
    3y

    My decision would probably be pretty heavily based upon what capital improvements I already made on the house and what I knew was coming up. Of all the properties I own my oldest one (1925) is the one I would have been open to selling back before I just bit the bullet and did the CIPs. New roof with sheathing (old tin-style shingles with purlins), new water heater, new electric panel with a lot of wiring, new kitchen & bathroom, and yet I still have ancient windows and old plumbing (on the plus side, someone before me had the foundation redone). So not an ideal property, but it was my first one, it's paid for and it's been a pretty decent cash producer over the years but is still my least-profitable house. 

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  • Morris County, NJ · Member since 2020 · 5k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    3y

    @Joshua Arsenault

    I guess I'm the dissenting opinion...  Sounds to me like its better to sell.  You don't sound up for the long range management.  You say its costing you more in maintenance than you expected.  'Everybody' always says just hire an inspector, hire a contractor, hire a property manager..  Yet, we post all the time on how its tough to find a good one of anything.  So, just cut bait and move on.

    So sounds like you are getting ~10% return over the 1.5yrs, well maybe 1.75yrs.  That's not fantastic but still pretty good given the circumstances.  Of course, if you are sizably leveraged, then your roi will be much higher --- but, I don't know which statistic you use to measure your investing...  Take it and move on to something else.  Do you have any other investments you can tax loss harvest to offset the gain?  If not, I honestly don't believe 7.5k of tax isn't the end of the world.  Of course, if you can time the 1031 (which I think would be really hard in this market), so much the better.  But, you still keep 85cents on the dollar (for federal purposes) of the profit.

    While one can consider life to be about dealing with and/or managing "headaches," doesn't mean you need to stick yourself with one.  I gotta think a 1920 house in PHilly would be similar to one here in NJ --- I wouldn't have even touched it.  Your market is probably as hot as mine, so go ahead and sell.  Either catch the "dip" if the market drops or move onto something else in your area that you can continue to self-manage.  Your post is a small laundry list of things you don't like about it.  Sure, I have rationales to assuade, but its not my property to run.

    Oh, and are you tenants in a position to buy?  You should ask..  It may be a long shot, but I've sold a good percentage to mine.  Maybe you can close within a year so you get some more cashflow and you can sell without any realtor commissions and save you a good chunk of change.

  • Tim DelaneyPro Member
    Buffalo, NY · Member since 2018 · 790 posts · 530 votes
    3y

    @Joshua Arsenault I would only sell if you could walk away with at least 5 years profit (actual profit, not just cash flow). I’m also curious as to why you would sell this single family in Philly, but not your other one? If management from 6 hours away shouldn’t you be asking about selling both?

    It almost seemed from your post that you were looking for reasons to sell this one with thoughts about what happens if the neighbor sells her property.

    There is always going to be some risk and a headache or two with RE, but I’m guessing you know that already since you have three rentals.

  • Theresa HarrisPro Member
    Member since 2019 · 15k+ posts · 11k+ votes
    3y

    You say the tenants have been hassle free.  While you are 6 hours away, you can call a handyperson to do some repairs meaning you don't have to go there.  I'd renew the lease with the current tenants.  You could also let them know that you are planning on keeping it as long as they are there, but if they are interested in buying it in a year or two, you'd be open to the idea.

  • Jon KellyPro Member
    Investor · Bethlehem, PA · Member since 2016 · 929 posts · 951 votes
    3y

    @Joshua Arsenault why did you buy the property in the first place? I assume you had some real estate / passive income related goals. 

    Seems way too early to cash-out and put it towards a larger primary residence. 

    Keep the property and keep your real estate investing dream alive

  • Member since 2023 · 3 posts · 1 vote
    3y
    Quote from @Tim Delaney:

    @Joshua Arsenault I would only sell if you could walk away with at least 5 years profit (actual profit, not just cash flow). I’m also curious as to why you would sell this single family in Philly, but not your other one? If management from 6 hours away shouldn’t you be asking about selling both?

    It almost seemed from your post that you were looking for reasons to sell this one with thoughts about what happens if the neighbor sells her property.

    There is always going to be some risk and a headache or two with RE, but I’m guessing you know that already since you have three rentals.

    It’s true that this one gives me more cause for concern. The other rental we have in the area is a small, single family brick ranch with no basement, built in the 1960’s and has long-term tenants. It cash flows better and has required less maintenance. 
  • Tim DelaneyPro Member
    Buffalo, NY · Member since 2018 · 790 posts · 530 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Joshua Arsenault:
    Quote from @Tim Delaney:

    @Joshua Arsenault I would only sell if you could walk away with at least 5 years profit (actual profit, not just cash flow). I’m also curious as to why you would sell this single family in Philly, but not your other one? If management from 6 hours away shouldn’t you be asking about selling both?

    It almost seemed from your post that you were looking for reasons to sell this one with thoughts about what happens if the neighbor sells her property.

    There is always going to be some risk and a headache or two with RE, but I’m guessing you know that already since you have three rentals.

    It’s true that this one gives me more cause for concern. The other rental we have in the area is a small, single family brick ranch with no basement, built in the 1960’s and has long-term tenants. It cash flows better and has required less maintenance. 

     List out all the major concerns you have and assign them a value based on likelihood and based on how catastrophic they would be to your goals. Then List out all the benefits and assign a value based on likelihood and how valuable they are to reaching your goals. Maybe seeing those things on paper will help you make the decision that is going to be best for you.

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