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Gursel Demir
  • Sparta, NJ
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Title Problem Involving Probate

Gursel Demir
  • Sparta, NJ
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Went under contract to sell a house where, when I bought it, the title company did not raise any issues, and I have title insurance. My buyer’s title company sees things differently. Here’s a brief run down for you title/probate lovers:

Originally, Ma and Pa were in title as h/w. The next deed is from the both of them to Ma alone. Ma died several years ago leaving a LW&T appointing, her daughter, my seller as the Executrix with powers to sell, and Letters Testamentary were issued to her.

Pa died, seven days later, leaving a LW&T appointing, his daughter, my seller as the Executrix with powers to sell, and Letters Testamentary were issued to her.

The next deed is from my seller as the Executrix of the LW&T of Pa to herself individually, for no consideration. The next deed is from my seller to me.

My buyer’s title company wants a new deed from the Executrix coming out of Ma’s estate AND they want a deed from all of the other five siblings as they consider the previous deed to herself to be “self-serving” as it was for no consideration.

I agree that title came out of the wrong estate and my seller will execute a new deed as the Executrix of Ma and she has provided proof that she shared the proceeds, from the sale to me, with all of her siblings.

The buyer’s title company still insists on a deed from all of the siblings. Two of the five siblings are willing to cooperate, one refuses to sign anything “to protect herself”, the other two will not respond to me or to my seller, their sister.

My title co is trying to convince the buyer’s title company’s underwriter to insure with a new deed and proof of payment to the siblings. I don’t see that happening.

Am I missing anything other doing a quiet title action? Anybody see any new arguments for my case or a way I can deal with this in a timely manner and not lose my buyer?

Gursel

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Rick H.#4 Marketing Your Property Contributor
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Rick H.#4 Marketing Your Property Contributor
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Gursel - I just ran across your name in my files a couple of weeks ago and wondered how you are doing!

Sometimes you have to throw out the baby with the bath water. Since you may not be able to pass marketable title to this buyer, due is part to buyer's insistence on using their team, I'd do what I can to extricate myself from these people ASAP. While it may be possible to offer indemnification to the buyer's title company, I wouldn't bet on that flying.

I, too, considered the quiet title route here but it's likely to be lengthy and cumbersome. QT is great when you're fixing title and not trying to pass title. IMHO it works best when there are no parties to complain or respond. As you know I'm biased toward dead people. They're the quietest.

You could always lead a new buyer down a path that includes their choosing your title company.

Title companies are insurance companies, of course, and prefer to charge you money to loan you an umbrella when the sun is shining and take it back when it rains.

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