Real Estate Express: PMI *and* Insurance?

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Real Estate Express: PMI *and* Insurance?

David Miller
Fort lauderdale, FL · Member since 2014 · 24 posts · 3 votes

I'm still doing the pre-license course. I'm writing it all down in a big note book to help me memorize it all.

I came across this on Real Estate Express' course.

My question: Why does this list both PMI (Private Mortgage Insurance) AND Insurance? What's the difference?

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Conventional Insured Loans

Unlike the conventional loans listed above, these loans require less than 20% down payment but they also require mortgage insurance which protects the lender (not the home buyer!).

PMI (Private Mortgage Insurance) is charged at the beginning of the loan and may also be part of the monthly payment so the payment becomes PITI, Principle, Interest, Taxes, Insurance and PMI Insurance. The mortgage insurance is purchased from a private company, not the federal government. Both the real estate professional and the buyer should understand that PMI is to protect the lender from default of the buyer, not insure the buyer's life.

    Typical payment of Conventional Insured:

  • Principal and interest payment $700
  • Taxes $150
  • Insurance $ 70
  • PMI $60
  • Total $980 per month

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  • Zach Gregor
    Bristow, VA · Member since 2015 · 7 posts · 2 votes
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    PMI is insurance for the bank if you were to default or stop paying on your loan. The other type of insurance is referring to your homeowners insurance. Hope this helps!
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  • Jason McLendon
    Springville, AL · Member since 2016 · 15 posts · 4 votes
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    Hey David. Good to see you here. PMI is a way for the mortgage company to protect themselves against high loan to value (LTV) exposure. They basically charge you a fee, if you do not have enough equity in the property. The fee does not protect you in any way. Once you reach the agreed LTV ratio, they will drop the PMI The other insurance is what you typically think of. Protects you in the event something happens to the house. They will pay for covered repairs after deductible. I hope this makes sense... Good luck to you!!!
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  • David Miller
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    Fort lauderdale, FL · Member since 2014 · 24 posts · 3 votes
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     @Zach Gregor - I suspected it might have been homeowners insurance, but I thought that would have been listed separately, somewhere else. Thought I might have been misunderstanding. I wasn't 100% sure what to write in my notebook, so thank you!

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  • Graham Parham
    Lender · Dallas, TX · Member since 2016 · 68 posts · 22 votes
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    Before you decide on what down payment is best for you first decide on the strategy of why you’re investing in real estate. Buying and holding real estate is subjective to how long you want to hold the property and why. Most customers that I deal with are looking into buy property for a long-term hold, mainly as a retirement asset. They are wanting the asset to generate a passive income today as well as when they retire. Even with that strategy some people feel they need to put at least 50% down when purchasing real estate to give them greater peace of mind knowing that they only have a 50% leverage on the property. Leverage is leverage. It all depends on the payment option that you feel comfortable with but not get too greedy. You will need to be smart with your money. You work hard for money and you want to see it grow for you.

    I’ve been working with investors for over 17 years and have been fortunate enough to be an investor for the last 10 years. I personally feel that real estate investing is always the best way to go regardless of the economic environment. I love having discussions with some of my very seasoned landlords that have been vesting since the early 80s. To hear them talk about the difficulties of finding loans over the years and also accepting rates that today a lot of new investors would not even think about doing. Most of the investors that I work with have the same strategy that I do. Buy-and-hold. Because of that the sweet spot for down payment typically is 20% down. The main reason for 20% down is they don’t want to have private mortgage insurance and they want the options to escrow their tax and insurance payments. Most pro-formas that you will be presented when purchasing investment property will typically have a 20% down and 80% loan to value scenario.

    Can you put less down the 20%? Yes, we do have a 15% down payment option available, but keep in mind it does require private mortgage insurance and your cash flow will not be as good.

    An example of the benefits of putting a full 20% down versus 15%.

    Price$150,000.00$150,000.00Difference
    Interest Rate5.000%4.750%0.2500%
    LTV85%80%0.05%
    Down Payment$22,500.00$30,000.00-$7,500.00
    Loan$127,500.00$120,000.00
    Monthly Payment (P&I)$684.45$625.98$58.47
    Private Mortgage Insurance$71.00$71.00
    Total Monthly Payment$755.45$625.98$129.47

    As you can see in the chart that for a measly $7500 more in a down payment, you would eliminate having to pay PMI for the next 44 months (44 X $71.00 = $3,124) as well as the cost of money is 0.250% better with 20% down ($7,500 @ .250% over 44 months is $951.57). You do the Math!

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