Looking for general advise on my situation.

Looking for general advise on my situation.

Austin, TX · Member since 2013 · 7 posts · 0 votes

Ok, so here is it. First I want to say that I love this web site.. Second "My situation" My wife and I got married about 5 years ago and neither of us were very finitely savvy so after we go married we bought a house in Austin TX, a 3 bed 2 bath 2100 sf buffington signature home in a new nice naborhood. We payed about 230,000 for and like typical young couple when out and charged up the credit card to fill it up with furniture. Then our beautiful baby boy came along a year later.. So we tacked on a little more debt to the pile.. well its took 3 years a few deployments with the army and my wife and I going to a Dave Ramsey course out on at our church to finally get our priorities straight, and now we are really starting to look good financially. Almost out of debt minus the house and Truck note.. The great thing is that now we are in a position to start building a significant amount of savings. With we plan on doing. So I came to this web site thinking about the future and the nest step for us, TO INVEST! :)
So here are a few concerns I have. First, I want to keep as much of our money in the bank and still invest as possible. Second. I am tent to be thinking more long term Landlord ship in vesting. My wife how ever is thinking about flipping houses. I keep reading everywhere that you don't need money to invest, but I'm not really sure what that means. Seller financing seem to make sense to me. but I don't get the details behind it.. Im thinking that in a few years we can rent the house that we are in and move into a new house. but its a VA loan and I'm not at all sure how that will work.. So I really need some over all advise.

Based on my current thinking this would be my plan..
over then next year put away 30,000 keep that as my back up emergency fond.
Then over the next year put away another 30,000..
That would be my investment money..
I would think the best thing to do. Is to go get pre-approved for a 100,000 then start shopping around for a property to buy with the intent of putting 20% down. while hoping to move a renter in that covers the mortgage with a little cash flow of the top of that. Then just work on paying that house off so I can get the hole rent as cash flow.. While saving up to do it again the next year and the year after..

Is that basically one way to do it? Is it a dumb way to do it? What are the better ways to do it.. I don't want to wast money or time. I want to use that 30,000 as strategically as I can.. I want to have a clear plan by the time I get that money in that bank..

I'm really looking for a " if I was in your shoes response to this post".
Let me know if that not enough information.
Thanks.

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  • Austin, TX · Member since 2013 · 7 posts · 0 votes
    13y

    Basically I need help coming up with a game plan..

  • Contractor · Round Rock, TX · Member since 2013 · 767 posts · 389 votes
    13y

    You listen to Dave R. too. So you know his advice about buying rentals. Which I don't completely agree with. Your plan is similar to mine. Just keep in mind that it will sit vacant for a month or 2 at a time sometimes. Repairs will come up. You will need a new $1500-$4000 a/c repair, which I'm an hvac guy, so I run into broke owners of rental properties all the time. The garbage disposal will go out, they will take out the garage door. You will need a new roof, etc... Keep cash reserves for that. If you can do repairs yourself, that is the best way. If you can't, it's gonna get costly. I used to do repairs on rentals in a previous business I owned, I know what goes out and how much it costs. Home warranty's suck and won't cover much. They will find ways to get out of paying such as its maintenance or lack thereof. As long as you have a couple of grand in reserves to carry you for a year or 2 until you can get enough cash saved up from your cashflow. You'll be ok. My goal is to turn my house into rental I live in now. Have $3000-$5000 saved for repairs to just this house and cover any issues that might arise until I can get that amount accumulated in cash from renting of the house. Then move onto next one.

  • Austin, TX · Member since 2011 · 119 posts · 46 votes
    13y

    Richard,

    The real question that you need to ask yourself is what kind of investor do you want to be. An active investor or a passive investor?

    Flipping is active investing. It will require a lot of your time to ensure that things go as planned. Flipping is also very risky. You need to know the market very well and have some experience in construction.

    Investing in long term, cash flow properties is passive investing. After you complete the initial make ready and put a tenant in the property, then you just get a check in the mail every month. You can even hire a property manager to handle any maintenance issues and collections.

    You can rent out your existing residence when you buy a new home if the numbers make sense. It really depends on how much the house will rent for and if there are any better opportunities out there. The VA loan shouldn't be an issue as long as you have lived there for at least 2 years.

  • Austin, TX · Member since 2011 · 119 posts · 46 votes
    13y

    I agree with Brian Matthews. Run it like a business and have at least 3 months worth or reserves in case things don't go as planned.

  • Real Estate Agent · Virginia Beach, VA · Member since 2012 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    13y

    Richard, renting your home and moving would be an option only if the market rent justifies it (I think under resources tab, the ultimate beginners guide would help). If it doesn't, there are still ways to get investment property with under 20% down, but they are limited (ex., Homepath loan can be 10%, seller financing, etc.). As far as flip versus buy and hold, it depends on your preference. We did both initially, but ended up only doing one flip as my husband prefers the buy and hold approach, didn't like putting all that work into it just to sell it to someone else, although I thought it would be great to alternate, using the profits from flips to generate money for the buy and holds. Others just prefer flips, no stress of tenants, evictions, etc. It's really a process you will work through together. Also, if you are willing to move, you could sell your home, buy a multifamily 2-4 unit using a low-down FHA, live in one unit while you build up proof of rental income and landlord experience in the others over 2 years or so, then move again and have a multifamily fully rented, while still being able to obtain another low-down owner-occupied loan on your next one.

  • Flipper/Rehabber · Austin, TX · Member since 2009 · 405 posts · 168 votes
    13y

    Richard,

    My husband has duplexes he bought here and there over the years, and now that's all he does - if you're looking for long term and have the ability to get conventional financing, I recommend looking into some stable rental properties.

    Good luck!

  • Investor · Clairemont, CA · Member since 2011 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    13y

    Welcome to BP Richard McCarthy.

    So to your question about no money down buying. Yes it can exist, no it is not easy to come by and usually the ones getting those deals are the much more experienced investors. You have to have the experience to understand how to structure those deals usually, and to know where to find sellers that are willing to take a deal like that. So I wouldn't waste too much time looking there initially.

    As far as flipping vs buy and hold like others have said flipping is a business really buy and hold an investment. Both make money, but are definitely different in the way in which they're done so you need to assess your and your wife's ability to do whatever you choose.

    Here is a link to another thread recently about the Ramsey/Kiyosaki paths to investing that doesn't necessarily pertain directly to your question but it gives some good insight into the business model you might choose.
    Ramsey-vs-kiyosaki---to-borrow-or-not-to-borrow

  • Greentown, IN · Member since 2012 · 140 posts · 18 votes
    13y

    Hi Richard

    There is a lot of difference between doing a flip and buy and hold. We have done both, actually we tend to alternate... Rental, flip, rental, flip. I guess we enjoy both sides of the real estate game.

    The buy and holds we consider our long term investments. We can sell a SFH and cash in the equity at any point we need to .. presuming our market is doing well. The duplex we own, we plan to hold as a cash generator.

    Flips are fun for us because we enjoy doing a bit of sweat equity, we like projects, and we do most of the work ourselves. We enjoy seeing the outcome of a project, but at the end, we are ready for a break. Our flips tend to need a lot of work... and maybe why we tend to go back and forth. The rentals we buy might need some minor work, but not typically major renovations of any kind.

    As far as renting your current home, you might check with your neighborhood... do you have any restrictions against renting out your home? I know many subdivisions that are really nice don't allow it.

    Real estate can be a great investment approach if you do your research and know what you're looking for. With a two year timeline, you have some time do some learning and set out a plan.

    If you decide on trying to flip a home, do you have any construction/renovation experience or have friends or family, or a contractor that does? Any of that can help. The shows on tv don't give all the details and can make them sound like great $$ makers, often times leaving out details like closing cost fees, capital gains tax, etc.

  • Rehabber / Flipper · Simi Valley, CA · Member since 2010 · 597 posts · 259 votes
    13y

    Richard, I personally like your idea of building up some savings before diving into investing. That way you have a safety net in case unexpected things come up.

    Also, if you are planning on buying rental properties, search BiggerPockets for the "50% rule". It basically says that over time, expenses on a rental will be 50% of the rent. So, if you're thinking you'll buy a house with a mortgage payment of $1000 per month and rent the place for $1200 per month, you'll likely be in for an unpleasant surprise as expenses start piling up. But you have plenty of time to do research here on BP before making such a mistake.

  • Austin, TX · Member since 2013 · 7 posts · 0 votes
    13y

    Thank you all so much for responding. You all gave great advise. I'm thinking about Joining the a real estate investment club in Austin when I get back from Afghanistan.. Think it will help my gain some more good insight before taking the leap. Any thoughts on that? Im open to the Flipping just seem like something I need to learn a lot more about. you know you work so hard to get to a point were you have money saved up I would hate to learn the hard way a lose money.

    Jeff, Thanks for you response. I agree with you about making the choice. I feel like I'm more interested in passive investing for sure.. I just don't have the confidence at this time to flip. how ever my wife's uncles are doing well with flipping houses currently and my wife is interested in investing with them to make some start up money. Im nerves about the idea. The main point is we both need to keep talking about this and come up with short a lonf term goals I think.

    Jean & lynn. You know my wife and I almost bought a very similarly price duplex to that of our current home. I think it would have made for a good way to start off. but we ultimately decided that with me being gone as often as I am it the military it was just not far to my family to put them in a project home.. I just simply did not have the capital to pay some one els for repairs or the time to do the work my self. I could see investing in multifamily at some point in the future though, just not as a live in. I like knowing when I'm away that my family is living as comfortably as I can afford for them to live. My wife also work full time for the city of Austin and takes care of our son so her time is much to valuable I think to have dealt with any tenet issue at that time.

    Witch brings me to another point I guess, perhaps we are not really ready to spend the time and effort it would take to flip at this point. Unless we used my wife's uncles as a resource for time.

    Brain - I could not agree with you more about the potential cost involved in landloarding and the importance of having reserve Cash. I'm happy to read about how we are working on similar plans thanks for the post.

    Matt - I'm defiantly going to check out the link you sent thank.

    Suzie - I'm still working out the acronyms SFH??? I enjoy working on houses a lot too. when I have leave from the army I'm alway helping my body, general contractor on his projects. the feeling you get after the work is done is very rewording. The only issue is I don't normally have the kinda time to do hole renovations my self. Although I feel I could and poses a good amount of skill and knowledge. As far as renting our house goes. There are no home owner policy in l place preventing rental and in fact the house next door is rented as well as a few other I'm aware of. The previous owners had to move quick and sold way under market value an investor snatched it up quick and found tenets very quickly and I'm sure there is Cash Flow being generated. How ever I'm not 100% clear on the VA loan policy. If I'm not mistaking I think I would have to get it out from underneath the VA. I payed 0% down on the house using the VA so I'm not sure what all the would in-tale. Further information on this subject would be very much appreciated. Just so you all no the house in in South Park meadows Austin 78748 area code. That should give you an idea of the current market value I'm assuming. The interesting think is the subdivision is not complete so they are still building homes. The houses the are building however are not Buffington Signature homes and actually based on my observation a slightly less quality style of home the buffington offers. How ever they are still selling for at or more what I payed per sq ft. witch I think is good for us tight? I'm not sure if that means we would be better off selling or holding though.

    Again thanks and I look forward to reading more.. helps pass the time While I'm over here.

  • Austin, TX · Member since 2013 · 7 posts · 0 votes
    13y

    Mike G - good point.. but concerning. It seems so unlikely as a novice investor that i can compete with other at finding the kinda long term deals that would really pay off.. any thoughts on that?

  • Austin, TX · Member since 2013 · 7 posts · 0 votes
    13y

    An other note.. The idea of working with my wife's uncles is appealing.. Reading some of the advise given on flipping. perhaps this is a way that we can get more capital at the begging while we continue to save. They both seem to be strongly active in the Real-estate game. One is retired and has all the time in the world as well as a few duplexes. The other has a privet small successful Business as well as a good cash flow producing duplex. Both in the last two years have mad some smart profitable flips happen. One was a more who you no situation that I contribute more to luck then anything but man was in profitable. So, any way I'm thinking working with them might be a good idea and a great way to learn.. any thoughts?

  • FL · Member since 2009 · 2k+ posts · 357 votes
    13y

    Richard McCarthy,
    SFH: Single Family Home.

    You mentioned that you paid about $230K for your home.
    Would it rent for $2300 per month?

    Raymond

  • Rehabber / Flipper · Simi Valley, CA · Member since 2010 · 597 posts · 259 votes
    13y
    Originally posted by Richard McCarthy:
    Mike G - good point.. but concerning. It seems so unlikely as a novice investor that i can compete with other at finding the kinda long term deals that would really pay off.. any thoughts on that?

    It shouldn't be concerning. The more you know before you go into a situation, the more prepared you will be to deal with things that would otherwise be surprising.

    And don't think about it as competing with more experienced investors. You don't have to find an amazing deal the first time out. It's more important to find a property that you don't regret purchasing later. Again, stick around here on BP and you'll learn a ton from other people.

    As for flipping, if you have family members that are experienced, that seems like a great way to learn. If they've only had one or two potentially lucky deals, then it might not be the best education, but if they've done a number of rehabs, then you'll likely learn a lot.

  • Austin, TX · Member since 2013 · 7 posts · 0 votes
    13y

    Raymond- I don't think it would even come close. Im thinking like 1600-1700, but I'm not sure what houses in my subdivision are actually renting for. I just know there are more expensive homes being bought by investors and rented out on the same street. Either way 1700 would cover my mortgage plus a some cash flow. Why would I need to get 2300 on a 230,000 home. Is that kinda a general rule when looking at a place you want to rent??

  • Austin, TX · Member since 2013 · 7 posts · 0 votes
    13y

    Good points Mike.

  • Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    13y

    Yes...that's the 1% rule. it works for houses under $150K. Example: a house worth $100K can be rented for $1K/month.

    For your case, I suggest you do not buy-fix-flip. It's too risky. I love wholesaling because it's no risk when you structure it properly. Going into rentals might work for you but instead of renting your house, why not buy a cheaper house instead and rent that (say a $100K house that you might rent for $1K/month). By doing so, your cashflow might be bigger.

    Of course, before you decide to become a landlord, study how to do it right first.

  • Real Estate Investor · Corinth, TX · Member since 2008 · 72 posts · 11 votes
    13y

    Richard,

    A small rule my wife and I use when buying an investment property (buy & Hold) is that the minimum rent we can rent it out for would be at least 1% of the purchase price. generally it should be higher but 1% would be worst case scenario ($100K = $1,000 month).
    Also, i would consider $230K a little steep for a single family rent house...since you are just starting out you may want to consider a duplex (for strictly rental purposes, I wouldn't want to live with my tenants) because should you have vacancies (and you will!) at least most if not all of the carry costs will be covered.
    Get yourself pre-approved. you don't have to have a full 20% down payment to do this. Keep in mind that since you will be qualifying on you and your wife's earned income, make sure that your income can cover the added mortgage. After that (if it has already been included on a tax return) you can add the extra passive income to your bottom line which should make it a little easier to qualify for more loans.
    like everyone else here has said, make sure keep reserves to cover the unforeseen....tenants won't stay very long if they have no AC (especially here in TX) and you don't want to be responsible for your tenants items if you fail to fix a roof in a timely manner.

    Good luck to you.

    On a side note: I got my first glimpse of the Texas Hill Country a couple weeks ago.......BEAUTIFUL!!!

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