Choosing a Starting Strategy in California Markets

Choosing a Starting Strategy in California Markets

New to Real Estate · Sacramento, CA · Member since 2019 · 9 posts · 2 votes

Hello BP Community,

My name is Danny, I currently live in the Bay Area, and I am a beginner looking to get into RE investing. I've been on Bigger Pockets for a while, learning as much as I can prior to doing my first deal. I'd like to share my personal situation and see if any veteran investors might share your opinions on what you think the best plan of action might be or what you'd do in a similar situation.

I currently rent in the Bay Area and just recently signed a new lease which will keep me renting through 2021. My GF and I have been planning to move to the Sacramento Area to buy a small multifamily unit to house hack but, with the current economic uncertainty and the fact that we both have been lucky with stable employment, we decided that we wanted to stay put and continue to rent here for at least another year. I have been in the learning phase for some time now and would consider myself in somewhat of an analysis paralysis situation. I am eager to get started but am unsure if now is the right time to being starting as a beginner. I would prefer to use the long term buy and hold strategy to build a portfolio of properties that provide additional cash flow(either locally or OOS) but would also be open to getting into flipping as well. From what I've read I think investing for cash flow, especially in these uncertain times, is the smarter way to invest.

Here is my situation and the options I am currently considering. I am currently renting with a stable job here in the Bay Area. I have around $100,000.00 - $120,000.00 to invest. Here's what we are thinking...

1. We wait and save as much as possible until our lease is up at the end of 2021 and purchase a small multifamily place in the Sacramento Area to house hack. The positives with this being a safer starting strategy, gaining experience with less risk than there might be investing OOS, and the Sacramento Area being an appreciating market over the long term if we are able to keep this property. Downsides with this would be that most of our savings would be spent on an initial down payment preventing us from investing OOS for better cash flow and that the Sacramento market doesn't necessarily cash flow well (or at all) until much further down the road.

2. Start the process of choosing an OOS market and building a network in that market (we've been looking into Pittsburgh, PA among others) and start investing while we are still renting here in the Bay. In this situation, we would ideally start investing OOS at a much lower price point, start building positive cash flow, and be able to save enough for a down payment on a SFR in Sacramento to live-in-flip when we decide to move up there. We could even purchase the SFR while still down in the Bay and rent it out until we are ready to move up there. Not sure if owner occupied financing is enough of a reason to avoid buying anything in Sacramento before we are ready to move up there.

Any insight or advice would be greatly appreciated. I am open to other strategies as well if anyone thinks there might be a better way. These are just the two that make the most sense to me at this point. It feels like I am reading something different about the future of the housing market everyday and I think opinions from some more experienced investors would help me narrow down a gameplan.

Would love to start networking more and meet other investors. Please reach out if interested.

Thanks

2Reply
66 views

Most Popular Reply

Rental Property Investor · CA · Member since 2020 · 14 posts · 7 votes
6y

Hi Danny,

I'm a fellow investor here in the Los Angeles market and just thought I'd share my thoughts and my current strategy. I recently sold my primary residence after substantial appreciation at a premium due to my property having multi family zoning in a fast growing part of LA. Similar to the Bay Area, Los Angeles has started to increase dramatically in price. What I did next was run through my possible scenarios similar to yourself. 

1) House hack, use the proceeds to put 40%down on a triplex or fourplex but in a C- type of area (sold property was in a B neighborhood), and have a larger amount to invest OOS to build a larger income portfolio. This small multi family would still be a negative cash flow in my area but a lot less than buying a SFH on its own. A 5 cap in my area is considered a good deal so it's really hard to cash flow in my market.

2) House hack, Buy a duplex in an A or B neighborhood with about 40% down and invest a smaller amount OOS to build some cash flow to maximize proceeds.

3) Rent and invest a majority of the proceeds out of state and build a large amount of cash flow. 

I went with option 2 and ended up buying a light fixer upper in an A neighborhood with a newly built fully permitted 1bd/ba ADU that I'll rent out in the back. Now it really comes down to your comfortability but I felt buying in a quality neighborhood with some rental income to offset my mortgage and expenses was perfect. I also have a lot of equity in it so I could always use my equity line to juice up the funds I invest OOS. I also have the option to BRRRR it and get another property.

I didn't like option 1 because the CA eviction moratorium was a bit of a concern for me. LA is actually even worse than the state because I can't evict for Covid reasons 1 year after the emergency declaration ends. I just didn't like the risk that brought with having several units to cover expenses for over several months. I know some investors that have tenants that haven't paid for several months and they can't even start the eviction process because of the moratorium. I also wasn't crazy about moving my family to a C- neighborhood. 

I almost went with Option 3 but being able to buy a light fixer and having equity right away in a good neighborhood is really rare in my area so I grabbed the chance right away. 

I think the biggest issue you may have house hacking in northern California is finding a deal where the negative cash flow makes sense for you because prices are pretty up there. The only reason it worked for me was because I was able to roll money from a property I sold and I found the right deal that made sense for me. I'm not as familiar with the Sacramento market but if it's anything close to SF I'm pretty sure it may still be expensive so the deal that makes sense for you is key. 

See this reply in the discussion

9 Replies

Jump to latestLatest
  • Rental Property Investor · CA · Member since 2020 · 14 posts · 7 votes
    6y

    Hi Danny,

    I'm a fellow investor here in the Los Angeles market and just thought I'd share my thoughts and my current strategy. I recently sold my primary residence after substantial appreciation at a premium due to my property having multi family zoning in a fast growing part of LA. Similar to the Bay Area, Los Angeles has started to increase dramatically in price. What I did next was run through my possible scenarios similar to yourself. 

    1) House hack, use the proceeds to put 40%down on a triplex or fourplex but in a C- type of area (sold property was in a B neighborhood), and have a larger amount to invest OOS to build a larger income portfolio. This small multi family would still be a negative cash flow in my area but a lot less than buying a SFH on its own. A 5 cap in my area is considered a good deal so it's really hard to cash flow in my market.

    2) House hack, Buy a duplex in an A or B neighborhood with about 40% down and invest a smaller amount OOS to build some cash flow to maximize proceeds.

    3) Rent and invest a majority of the proceeds out of state and build a large amount of cash flow. 

    I went with option 2 and ended up buying a light fixer upper in an A neighborhood with a newly built fully permitted 1bd/ba ADU that I'll rent out in the back. Now it really comes down to your comfortability but I felt buying in a quality neighborhood with some rental income to offset my mortgage and expenses was perfect. I also have a lot of equity in it so I could always use my equity line to juice up the funds I invest OOS. I also have the option to BRRRR it and get another property.

    I didn't like option 1 because the CA eviction moratorium was a bit of a concern for me. LA is actually even worse than the state because I can't evict for Covid reasons 1 year after the emergency declaration ends. I just didn't like the risk that brought with having several units to cover expenses for over several months. I know some investors that have tenants that haven't paid for several months and they can't even start the eviction process because of the moratorium. I also wasn't crazy about moving my family to a C- neighborhood. 

    I almost went with Option 3 but being able to buy a light fixer and having equity right away in a good neighborhood is really rare in my area so I grabbed the chance right away. 

    I think the biggest issue you may have house hacking in northern California is finding a deal where the negative cash flow makes sense for you because prices are pretty up there. The only reason it worked for me was because I was able to roll money from a property I sold and I found the right deal that made sense for me. I'm not as familiar with the Sacramento market but if it's anything close to SF I'm pretty sure it may still be expensive so the deal that makes sense for you is key. 

  • Ronil DwarkaPro Member
    Real Estate Broker · Sacramento, CA · Member since 2020 · 18 posts · 3 votes
    6y

    Another twist to areas like Sacramento is the newer homes around $400k (some still in the late $300s). Two years warranty plus whatever long term warranty keeps the repair $$ in the wallet. Just saying cause I had clients who have gone that route. 

  • Investor · Marin County California · Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    6y

    As a 20+ year investor, my belief is that Franco Montano hit on exactly the right strategy. Going through a few ups and downs have taught me a few principles including: (1) quality is better than quantity (Franco bought a fixer in A neighborhood rather than in a C neighborhood); (2) appreciating markets appreciate for a reason (i.e. people want to live there) (Franco chose to buy in LA rather than in some other state with low prices, bad weather and limited prospects for economic growth; and (3) everything you need to know you learned watching the Wizard of Oz (i.e. make the most of the opportunities at your front door) (Franco is making most of the opportunity presented by buying a SFR with an ADU, essentially a duplex for income generation).

    Generating cash flow through out of area property purchase is not like buying a Treasury Bill or a bond. One bad winter could result in $10,000+ in roof and siding repairs and HVAC repairs, essentially wiping out years of precious "cash flow." A CapEx reserve is not a guarantee of having sufficient resources when they are needed. Rental investing is a long term game and not a pot of cash you can count on tapping at will.

  • New to Real Estate · Sacramento, CA · Member since 2019 · 9 posts · 2 votes
    6y

    @Darius Ogloza, @Ronil Dwarka, @Franco Montano

    I appreciate the advice! Thank you

  • Member since 2020 · 26 posts · 13 votes
    6y

    Hey Daniel, 

    I see a ton of parallels with our current life situations and RE goals. My lady and I live in San Francisco and are debating house hacking in South Sacramento VS purchasing and managing property OOS. We are leaning towards option A in South Sac because there's a ton of inventory between high $200's and $300's relatively close to "the Grid" with decent enough schools and walkable, safe pockets within the neighborhoods. Sacramento has seen consistent growth with young families moving in, and I see plenty of other signs that show it will continue to improve. Finally, we just want to live on our own and stop riving away rent money that could be working for us.

    If you're interested, send me a DM and we can compare notes on the Sac market. We've spoken to one mortgage broker so far, and plan on reaching out to a few others and putting feelers out for a realtor. Not planning on being able to purchase until next Spring though. I'd love any insight you might be able to provide, and I'd gladly share anything I've found out about the area as well.

    Cheers!

  • Investor · Sacramento, CA · Member since 2016 · 96 posts · 41 votes
    6y

    Hi Danny, will your employers let you work from home?  That would be a great benefit if you want to move to Sacramento. I have no idea which direction the market is heading, but I would think that in 6 months we should have a general idea.  Even if it's flat or trending down, you may still want to buy if the numbers work for you.  If you're buying long term, time is on your side.  There really isn't going to be a scenario where conditions are "perfect" to jump in.  

  • Los Angeles · Member since 2020 · 88 posts · 36 votes
    6y

    @Daniel Young Hi, I hope all is well and thank you for starting this thread. I have been analyzing deals in southern CA, and I keep getting negative cashflow. I started reading David Greene's long distance book and I am looking at OOS properties. If you have a connection such as friend, family or anyone you trust and can get you info about the market I say invest OOS. BRRRR the property to get your capital back and by 2021 when you are lease is up go house hack a property in Sacramento. That way your money is working for you & you get to learn your strength and weaknesses. I am always happy to connect and talk real estate. Cheers!

  • New to Real Estate · Sacramento, CA · Member since 2019 · 9 posts · 2 votes
    6y

    @Dave Peterson

    Thanks for the post. Unfortunately, I would not be able to stay at my current company if I moved to Sac. I would need to find a new job. We also signed a lease down here in Santa Clara through the end of 2021 so if I did buy before then it would be with the intention of renting the property out until our lease is up down here. I think you're definitely right though that there's no perfect time to jump in. I'll definitely be monitoring prices moving forward but I think we are hoping that prices may go down and mortgage rates won't jump up between now and when our lease ends. If a good opportunity presents itself before we are ready to move though I think we are prepared to jump on it.

  • New to Real Estate · Sacramento, CA · Member since 2019 · 9 posts · 2 votes
    6y

    @Carlos Villalobos

    Yea I think those are great points. My worry with that is that I don't know that I necessarily have someone I would trust right away to help me with an OOS BRRRR. If everything went perfectly that would definitely be the way to go but with it being my first time BRRRRing I would rather assume there might be some issues. I think I would still consider it but to buy a small multifamily in Sac to house hack that would cash flow positively (even if only a little bit positively) is going to take most of the cash I have saved. If I did try to BRRRR something OOS and had some issues or things didn't go perfectly, I feel like it could affect my ability to afford the property in Sac....

Join the conversationCreate a free account to reply, vote on answers and follow this thread.