BRRR to Bust? - Next Steps

BRRR to Bust? - Next Steps

Rental Property Investor · NJ · Member since 2019 · 66 posts · 44 votes

I purchased a SFH for $160k, and had about 40k (cash) in rehab and holding costs bringing my total investment to $200k.

My loan is 150k, which with taxes and insurance equates to $1,550/mo. The tenant pays $2,000/ mo. for all expenses including water and so my only other expense is property management at $200/mo. In essence I make about $250/mo.

The property rented quickly at $2k/mo., and I did this just so I would have money coming in right away. Current rental comps are around $2,300/mo.

Meanwhile although my mortgage is $150k the house is worth around $290k.

So here is what I came up with as my 3 options moving forward with this property as a long-term buy and hold:

1. Refinance now at $200k, pulling all my money out of the house. Benefit: infinite return, can re-use that $40k for another project. Negative: my cash flow would be about $100/mo. and I only have about $5k set aside for emergency repairs. Also note I didn’t fix any of the major systems, hot water heater, furnace, roof, etc when I did the initial $40k of rehab.

2. Wait two years when I can raise the rent to (at least) $2,300/mo., then refinance, giving me a cash flow of around $400/mo. Benefit: Infinite return, it will allow me to set aside more for emergency repairs. Negative: Rates May rise to a point where it wouldn’t be as much cash flow, perhaps even bringing it to $200/mo.

3. Try to pay the $150k off over the next 7 years through accelerated banking (home equity line of credit). Benefits (I would have significant cash flow in 2 years time). Negative: it would take any other cashflow I have and put it towards this investment and therefore I wouldn’t be able to do any other investments.

So what are your thoughts? Do I pull the trigger on a refi now and hope I can get by the next 2 years without any major incidents?

My initial goal is to purchase 1 house every year to the point where I am making as much or more than my W2.

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  • Rental Property Investor · Port Coquitlam, BC · Member since 2017 · 520 posts · 527 votes
    7y

    It looks like some of your decisions are adding unnecessary risks to investing, specifically

    1. Renting the unit $300 under market 
    2. Not factoring capital or repairs into cash flow (you aren't really "making" $250 per month) and not having a war chest to deal with issues that can (probably will) arise

    If the property is now worth $290K (have an appraisal done) you can refi to 75% LTV on the present value (or $217,500) If you can get a HELOC on the increase in equity, you can use it to pay off your original down payment ($10k based on your numbers) and rehab costs ($40k) and keep the remainder available to handle repairs and capital improvements if needed. You'll then be able to repeat with another SFR

  • Rental Property Investor · NJ · Member since 2019 · 66 posts · 44 votes
    7y

    @Chris Baxter That is great! I didn't even think about using the HELOC for another property.

    In regards to your other points, I totally agree. At the time I had almost no money coming into my company (not even sure how I obtained a loan given my income at the time) so the renting it at $300 less than market was needed as I couldn’t afford it sitting on the market for more than a month. I was able to get it rented in 2 weeks. Plus the renters have been great. The husband works for a window company and has installed 8 replacement windows (for free - nothing off the rent) that I just couldn’t get afford to do at the time.

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    Rental Property Investor · Grand Prairie, TX · Member since 2018 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    7y

    @Kevin Blanchard

    Sounds like you have a great tenant! I would sit on it and do nothing for a year or two. When it appreciates in value 10% or more I would refi it and use that $ into another investment property. Plus after two years of someone else paying off some equity with their rent, you’ll be looking solid for a new loan.

  • Rental Property Investor · NJ · Member since 2019 · 66 posts · 44 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @John Morgan:

    @Kevin Blanchard

    Sounds like you have a great tenant! I would sit on it and do nothing for a year or two. When it appreciates in value 10% or more I would refi it and use that $ into another investment property. Plus after two years of someone else paying off some equity with their rent, you’ll be looking solid for a new loan.

    I certainly do! That is a great idea. Definitely something I will consider. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Sacramento, CA · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 893 votes
    7y

    Sell it and cash out on your equity & move it into the next project. $250 bucks a month is never going to retire you. It'll be 10k/mo after 40 years if you do a project a year.

    I just posted this about the questionable BRRR method earlier today. The link below is a screenshot of that post.

    https://cl.ly/79078b

  • Rental Property Investor · NJ · Member since 2019 · 66 posts · 44 votes
    7y

    @Elliott Elkhoury I have definitely considered that possibility. One of the challenges I am coming across in my New York Metropolitan area is that most deals I have seen aren't purchased for cash flow but rather appreciation. The cost of a house and taxes here are a bit much. For example, we put an offer on a 3-bedroom 2-bath 1,500 sq. Ft SFH on the busiest road in town. It was well maintained but very outdated. Someone purchased it for $350,000 cash. This was actually cheap as most houses of that size and bedroom distribution would go for around $400k. Meanwhile it will probably rent for somewhere around $2,800-$3,000/mo.

    I think I may need to reconsider my market but being new to RE Investing I am a little hesitant to go further than an 1-1.5 hour drive.

  • Rental Property Investor · Sacramento, CA · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 893 votes
    7y

    @Kevin Blanchard I respect an appreciation play, but there isn't much weight to it when you're buying in a volatile city at the top of a market you know? Those markets will see substantial depreciation before they see appreciation again. It all depends on what you want from your investing efforts too- not everyone wants to play the ups and downs of the market and be an "active" investor. It takes some work. 

    If you don't like the remote/out of state concept there's nothing wrong with waiting, to be honest. 

  • Lender · Rochester, NY · Member since 2014 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    7y

    @Kevin Blanchard

    I would hold the property and cash out now while rates are pretty low. At 75% LTV and a value of about $290k you can cash out about $217k on the property. The extra cash after you pay yourself back I would put into reserves in case there are major repairs that need to be done.

    As far as others mentioned selling it - you now have it rented. Is it month to month or a year lease? I don’t think you can break the lease, if you sell it, so it will make it difficult to sell unless it is to an investor and closes the opportunity of a primary home buyer as they will need to move into the property within 60 days. At least from my knowledge here in NY you can’t break a lease even if selling a property. Narrowing your potential buyers in my opinion won’t allow you to get max dollar from selling the property. 

  • Rental Property Investor · NJ · Member since 2019 · 66 posts · 44 votes
    7y

    @Jerry Padilla that is a great point about limiting my pool of buyers, and lease braking, I hadn't thought of that. yes we are about 6 months into a 2 year lease. I think you are also correct in saying that I could use the extra cash for emergency repairs especially since my cash flow would be pretty weak for the next 1.5 years at only $150/mo after re-do.

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