Taxes. Is it really this hard?

Taxes. Is it really this hard?

Member since 2017 · 2 posts · 1 vote

As a bit of history, my friend and I created an LLC to purchase rental properties in 2017, but didn't buy our first property until March 2018. We're having everything deposited to a business checking account in our LLC's name, and we pay the mortgage for the remaining 80% automatically from that account. Our intent was to have this LLC own everything we purchased, but that turned out to be harder than anticipated, so our property is actually in my and my partner's name.

This is the first year we'll owe taxes and looking into the process, it is mind boggling. From what I've collected, we'll need to file a 1065, with a 4562, an 8825, and schedule Ks attached, then file our personal returns using the amount noted in the Schedule Ks. There's also some lingo about Self Employment Tax and quarterly payments.

Could anyone here supply a rundown of the actual forms needed and why? This seems like a very intensive way to document a business that's only anticipated to net 12k a year per property, but I suppose the burden would seem less dire as the years go by and properties are added.

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Linda WeygantPro Member
Investor and CPA · Arvada, CO · Member since 2015 · 2k+ posts · 3k+ votes
7y
Originally posted by @Patrick M Nichols:

I would contact a CPA at this point, especially if you're in a taxable position. I question whether or not you are using depreciation to your full advantage.

 +1 to this.  I'd also be concerned that you've got basis calculated correctly and that you've correctly segregated out Land vs Building.  When the questions you ask are about the basics on a business that is somewhat simple, it tells me that you should do the things you are really great at, like analyzing and acquiring properties and getting good tenants, and get a professional to help you in the areas where you're not quite as strong.

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  • Attorney · Boston, MA · Member since 2018 · 109 posts · 63 votes
    7y

    I would contact a CPA at this point, especially if you're in a taxable position. I question whether or not you are using depreciation to your full advantage.

  • Linda WeygantPro Member
    Investor and CPA · Arvada, CO · Member since 2015 · 2k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Patrick M Nichols:

    I would contact a CPA at this point, especially if you're in a taxable position. I question whether or not you are using depreciation to your full advantage.

     +1 to this.  I'd also be concerned that you've got basis calculated correctly and that you've correctly segregated out Land vs Building.  When the questions you ask are about the basics on a business that is somewhat simple, it tells me that you should do the things you are really great at, like analyzing and acquiring properties and getting good tenants, and get a professional to help you in the areas where you're not quite as strong.

  • Real Estate Agent · Belmar, NJ · Member since 2017 · 370 posts · 200 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Edward Skirvin:

    As a bit of history, my friend and I created an LLC to purchase rental properties in 2017, but didn't buy our first property until March 2018. We're having everything deposited to a business checking account in our LLC's name, and we pay the mortgage for the remaining 80% automatically from that account. Our intent was to have this LLC own everything we purchased, but that turned out to be harder than anticipated, so our property is actually in my and my partner's name.

    This is the first year we'll owe taxes and looking into the process, it is mind boggling. From what I've collected, we'll need to file a 1065, with a 4562, an 8825, and schedule Ks attached, then file our personal returns using the amount noted in the Schedule Ks. There's also some lingo about Self Employment Tax and quarterly payments.

    Could anyone here supply a rundown of the actual forms needed and why? This seems like a very intensive way to document a business that's only anticipated to net 12k a year per property, but I suppose the burden would seem less dire as the years go by and properties are added.

     Hi Edward,

    I will agree with the others above. Let me know if you're looking for a recommendation for a remote CPA that is fantastic and could help you with this.

    Also, from what I saw in your post you seem to have most of the pieces in order.

  • Colleen F.Pro Member
    Investor · Narragansett, RI · Member since 2013 · 8k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    7y

    You need to consider the entity the property is held in, the state it is in, and the state you are in. There are taxes associated that may be specific to your state in addition to federal taxes such as business tax for the LLC. For Quarterly taxes you are supposed to send in taxes on your revenue each quarter to the government since this is a "pay as you go" system or basically so they don't lay a penalty on top of the regular tax. Not likely an big issue this year. Contact a CPA they can explain this best and make sure you satisfy all the local and federal taxing authorities. Another thing to do is read the business expense publication from the IRS. It is all a pain but they will get you eventually if you don't file correctly or miss some government entity who has to get their piece of your pie. .

  • Member since 2016 · 13k+ posts · 12k+ votes
    7y

    You are now operating a business, time to get a CPA on your team.

  • Member since 2017 · 2 posts · 1 vote
    7y

    Thank you for your responses everyone. I am in touch with a CPA now, even if for just this one time to see how it is done correctly.

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