Is Cash Flow Possible Via FHA ?

Is Cash Flow Possible Via FHA ?

Lender · Chicago, IL · Member since 2017 · 7 posts · 3 votes

Hi Everyone,

I'm recently qualified to obtain an FHA loan up to 450k for a 3-4 unit multi-family property. As of now I'm working with my junior realtor (close friend & new to the industry) to source a property where the rent income will be able to cover debt service and operating expenses all while living in one of the units (therefore, removing the rental income of that unit from the equation). As of now, I've strictly been analyzing deals that my realtor sends me on the MLS. This has proven ineffective as most of these properties' income can barely sustain themselves [even with a "larger" (20%-30%) amount of equity down] and the ones that do have worse returns and higher risk than if you were to put money into a CD, for example.

With this said, it's looking less and less possible to go the FHA route and have the following possible conclusions:

  • Multifamily property values are reaching their peek (at least in my prospective markets; surrounding the Chicago MSA)
  • Investment properties on the MLS suck (lack of a better word)
  • Finding a property that works via FHA route is a diamond in the rough

Overall, what do you guys think or recommend? Are multifamily values peeking? Is the FHA route near impossible? Is it just the market I'm in? Should I try and source off-market deals instead? (if so, does anyone have any strategies for this other than driving around and sending them direct mail letters)

Any input is greatly appreciated.

-Rob

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Guy with Great Hair · Austin, TX · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 4k+ votes
8y
@Robert Zuccaro Yes its absolutely possible to make money with FHA. In fact, your deal should be based on its standalone merits. Meaning if the deal only works when you buy down the mortgage, its no deal. Certainly not all deals work with high LTV, but that might be reflection of that deal or the area. If you pay down the debt to get it to cash flow and your return on equity goes to crap. You might just need to find another
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  • Lender · Chicago, IL · Member since 2017 · 7 posts · 3 votes
    8y

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  • Guy with Great Hair · Austin, TX · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    8y
    @Robert Zuccaro Yes its absolutely possible to make money with FHA. In fact, your deal should be based on its standalone merits. Meaning if the deal only works when you buy down the mortgage, its no deal. Certainly not all deals work with high LTV, but that might be reflection of that deal or the area. If you pay down the debt to get it to cash flow and your return on equity goes to crap. You might just need to find another
  • Guy with Great Hair · Austin, TX · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    8y
    @Robert Zuccaro Also, yes, deals are getting tighter. All markets are independent for sure, but overall prices are going up becuase after 10 years of rediculous good economy far more people have the ability to invest. New investors in bulk will always raise prices of an area. And yes, if youre using a high LTV loan youre gonna need a GREAT deal, not an average one.
  • Lender · Chicago, IL · Member since 2017 · 7 posts · 3 votes
    8y

    @Alexander Felice Thanks for the response and input, Alexander. Do you have any strategies for sourcing deals (other than the MLS) ? If you don't mind sharing - what do you personally do to find your investments?

    Thanks,

    Rob

  • Guy with Great Hair · Austin, TX · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    8y
    @Robert Zuccaro I use the MLS, sorry. lol fha really only works once or twice, since it requires owner occupied. Ive done my share of living in foreclosures so no more for me It should be said, not all strategies work in all areas. Dont try to stuff a square peg in a round hole.
  • Rockaway, NJ · Member since 2016 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    8y

    @Robert Zuccaro make sure you include the unit you will be living in when you calculate your return. this is because you will move out some point and you are saving on rent by living in one unit.

  • Lender · Chicago, IL · Member since 2017 · 7 posts · 3 votes
    8y

    @Alexander Felice Lol no worries. I appreciate your input. 

    @Andrew B. Thanks for the response, Andrew. I do include both scenario's in my analysis. Ideally I'd like to come across a property that will give me a positive cash-on-cash return without including the unit I will be occupying but obviously that's going to be tough to come across. While using an FHA loan, is it pretty typical that the first year will be a loss while focusing on the longer play? (once I move out of the property and optimize the rental income from the additional unit)

  • Lender · Chicago, IL · Member since 2017 · 438 posts · 193 votes
    8y

    As one of the larger multi-family lenders in the city, a great deal of my clients are 2-4unit buyers/owners....many of them being primary residence purchases taking the "house-hacking" angle. Yes, deals are getting tighter but there are still good options out there. We're finding plenty that allow for low down payment financing, including FHA.

    I'd be happy to dive in more on the financing side so you understand your options, both FHA and otherwise. Also, you might want to reach out to @Weston Harding at X Plus Real Estate. X Plus is the #1 broker for 2-4units over multiple zip codes in Chicago, and often they source deals that don't go to the MLS. Great people to connect with as they know the market better than anyone. Hope that helps @Robert Zuccaro!

  • Chicago, IL · Member since 2015 · 61 posts · 12 votes
    8y
    Even though I’m not at the OP’s status, I am basically following his footsteps because I am trying to accomplish the same thing while being in the same city. So I will be following this discussion. I need to learn how to analyze a deal(or find somebody that does) and I need to figure out how much I’m going to get approved for with FHA. Which I assume will be way easier than analyzing deals. However, I am not stopping even after I get my 1st deal!
  • Chicago, IL · Member since 2015 · 61 posts · 12 votes
    8y
    I am also interested in Morgan park, Beverly, bronzeville, Douglas, Hyde park, Pilsen, kenwood, Woodlawn, pIll hill. I will even strongly consider Englewood or auburn Gresham as long as it’s a decent block and property because once I move out the property I can rent out to CHA/SEC 8 tenants.
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