Newbie: Have idea of using HELOC to supercharge my REI start

Newbie: Have idea of using HELOC to supercharge my REI start

Member since 2018 · 9 posts · 2 votes

Hello Everyone.....i just joined this forum bc as i was scouring the internet over the last couple of day this forum kept popping up as full of information. so thank you all for letting us newbies access all this wealth of info. my situation is as follows. 

current mortgage balance on 2 family home: 360k @ 3.75% for 30 years ($2300 montly PITI)

current market value by a local Credit Union: 553k

joint Debt between me and wife: 77k (majority is student debt)

Montly Debt payments: $1265.00

Rental Income from Duplex Apt upstairs: $1700.00

my idea is to get a 10/20yr HELOC for 80k to consolidate our Debt obligations and then paying only the interest on the HELOC (5%) is a 333/month payment.

basically converting our 1265.00 montly debt obligation burden into a 333.00 burden. we would be responsible for the mortgage (2300.00) and the HELOC interest payment (333.00) which is 2633.00
this minus the 1700 rental incomes makes our montly home burden 933$ dollars.

our monthly income combined is approx 6k after taxes but we also have daycare and food and car insurance and the like. 

my idea was to basically transfer and extend our current debt to a lower montly payment as we plan on moving in 1.5-2yrs and then fully renting our 2 family home which should bring in about $3500 a month conservatively (city property with 2 parking spaces). the rent of the home would cover both the mortgage and HELOC interest payment and STILL be positive cash flow

am I wrong to think that then the HELOC would basically be paid by the Tenants and not me....in a way i would have transferred our CURRENT debt to another debt vehicle which would then be paid by someone else. 

the plan after paying all of our non HOME related debt would be to save aggressively. i am thinking 2k-2.5k a month should be doable. although i have also thought about aggressively paying down the principal on our primary mortgage instead.

am i missing something. i know people dont like HELOCS bc of the variable rate...but is interest rate important when someone else is making the payments? i also know people dont like them bc you are turning unsecured debt into secured debt....but that rests on the premise that you default...i dont plan on defaulting and given our situation...it would take a series of COMBINED catastrophic events for us to find ourselves in a position where we cant pay 2600/month. 

i do understand that by using the HELOC in this manner...i end up paying a lot more over the long run but again....does it matter how much is paid when it is being paid by someone else? in a sense....instead of using CURRENT real dollars to pay our debt....we would end up paying it with future money that would have been created out of nothing (EQUITY)

what are your thoughts?

thank you all in advance for your time. 

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  • Olympia, WA · Member since 2017 · 91 posts · 80 votes
    8y

    I see your frame of mind on this, but on a personal level I never want to use a HELOC for a major purchase or to pay off other debt. I could be totally incorrect in the efficiencies in my frame of mind, but I don't want to leverage debt (mortgage) where the value can change any day based on the economy and current housing market. If you would have done that 13 years ago before the market crash you could quickly find yourself in a dark place financially. Just my opinion, no science or hard math to it.

  • Member since 2018 · 9 posts · 2 votes
    8y
    Originally posted by @Nate Burgher:

    I see your frame of mind on this, but on a personal level I never want to use a HELOC for a major purchase or to pay off other debt. I could be totally incorrect in the efficiencies in my frame of mind, but I don't want to leverage debt (mortgage) where the value can change any day based on the economy and current housing market. If you would have done that 13 years ago before the market crash you could quickly find yourself in a dark place financially. Just my opinion, no science or hard math to it.

    i thought about this as well....but i feel we are in a very different time than back in 07. we also...financially can afford our mortgage and most people that found themselves in trouble were way in over their head with adj rate mortgages and low incomes...no underwriting by the banks. we also have rental income....and from what i know most people being foreclosed on were single family homeowners who used HELOCS to buy vacations and new cars and the like. 

    it is most definitly something i thought about though....just not sure it is applicable in my scenario....i dont feel i am overextended in my mortgage....and my area is actually going through significant appreciation due to real initiatives by the local govt...not just bubble mania. 

    thanks for your reply....def makes me want to crunch the numbers a 3rd time though before doing this. 

  • Olympia, WA · Member since 2017 · 91 posts · 80 votes
    8y

    I hear you, @Antonio Martinez. I guess for me I just want the least amount of risk on the place I personally call home. If I HELOC my home I'm literally increasing risk. But hey, risk / reward? I think it's going to come down to what you're comfortable with doing, but I'll be curious to see what others say too!

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