How to save for investment property with debt & tips for buying?

How to save for investment property with debt & tips for buying?

Maple Heights, OH · Member since 2017 · 21 posts · 4 votes

 I recently read Rich Dad Poor Dad and decided I wanted to pursue financial freedom via REI. I am a 24 year old who graduated college with about $30,000 in student loan and pay-day loan debt and will be acquiring about another $20,000 in loans to obtain my MBA. I am currently unemployed and living with my parents while searching for full-time work and taking classes online (one at a time). I currently have no savings but plan to start saving for my investments after obtaining the next job. My credit score is horrible due to some poor decisions I made last year in acquiring close to 10,000 in debt that I have yet to finish paying due to not being able to find a job that I like (I have since chosen to work any job I can my hands on). I am also a mother (of a 2 year old daughter) who co-parents with the father so I do not have a husband or partner to invest with (may or may not be relevant info). I started researching the various ways of investing this past week and plan to continue learning over the years. With the little knowledge I have acquired so far I am questioning if a good route for me to go would be to save as much as I can by limiting expenses as I pay off my debt while either living somewhere with low rent or living in a property my parents own and only paying for utilities. As of right now I plan to just put my savings into my bank account but I am curious about other places I could put my money to gain more in interest.

I plan to save until I can put a down payment on a house or buy a home in full and rent it out to save for the next property as well as to pay for any expenses that arise with the property or expenses in other areas of my life. I am poor and some of the homes in my area (Cleveland, OH area suburbs) have greatly depreciated over the last few decades but I am curious if there is an opportunity to buy cheaply and use the little money from rent to save for other properties. I've seen homes for as low as $50K and even saw one going for $30K with the MORTGAGE at less than $200. Not sure if the ROI is worth it for homes in my area or if I should just seek a professional's help (going to do anyway) to find better areas near the universities or better neighborhoods. I am interested in the idea of getting enough cash flow coming in from multiple properties where I could purchase larger warehouses or smaller apartments. I know I will have to repair my credit for any loans I would need for more expensive homes if purchasing the smaller fixer-upper homes in my area turned out to not be worth the investment. My goal is to one day have enough cash flow to be able to easily afford to pay for a $3,000 mortgage on an $800,000 dream home I have my eye on in a neighboring suburb (I know it will appreciate in value) while still acquiring more propertie. As you can tell I am very new to this but I plan to educate myself as I greatly desire to be able to retire early or at least to not have to work for the rest of my life while contributing to my daughter's college savings. I would appreciate any information that could be helpful. I know my situation is not ideal but I am determined!

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Investor · Avilla, IN · Member since 2013 · 796 posts · 769 votes
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Rachellette McKissack So you want to be financially free but you're pursuing your MBA and financing it? Fast forward five years...assuming you build a rental portfolio and are doing real estate full-time (whatever that means to you), what does the MBA do for you? I barely graduated high school, yet I own 64 rental units and between that and a painting business I started 3 years ago I will never have to have a job again. If you really want to be financially free then learn to do no and low money down deals with that $10k instead.
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  • Buffalo, NY · Member since 2016 · 20 posts · 3 votes
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    I started saving last April. I used a index card and started by writing down each paycheck how much I'd save if I put half of my check into savings. It is now a year later and on a 20k income I've saved about 13k since last April. Ways in which helped me to save was: 1. Living at home (26 and living at home stinks but it works) 2. Bus pass - Actually this was unintentional but helped me to save up more with the little income I have. 3. Goodbye to Netflix- There won't be much time for Netflix anyways if you're spending a good chunk of your time trying to figure out how you plan on going through with your deal and finding the deal. The main key of all is to make sure that you're not spending more than you're making. These are just my ways I was able to go about saving, but also don't forget to look for ways to leverage or others to work closely with for your first deal. My dad has helped me purchase my first property and it's currently still his until it pays for itself or until I finally workout my mortgage situation. I'm completely fit for a mortgage but have had a number of problems with contact- my most recent contact is out on vacation and his sub was sick wth laryngitis for a week... meanwhile the house was about to close and I couldn't get a response from anyone.
  • Maple Heights, OH · Member since 2017 · 21 posts · 4 votes
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    Thanks! Wow, your sacrifice has surely begun to pay off. Yes I have created lists dictating what percentage of each check I will place into my investment savings each week/month. I know it is imperative that I eliminate my debt unrelated to school as soon as possible but it can be difficult to determine how much money to put toward debt and savings each month as I do not want to pay debts for an entire year and not have any savings. I believe that only spending on necessities and cutting costs where I can for them will be helpful in supplementing additional money that I lose to my debts. I'm also fine with idea of saving money that I would have spent on impulse for things like a fast-food stop, a small shopping trip or a night out.

    I do plan to find a professional broker, real estate agent or other professional who can help steer me in the right direction and enlighten me about trends and activities in the surrounding areas. I would like to learn as much as I can and build some savings before seeking help to avoid wasting time or dealing with the wrong individuals.

  • Buffalo, NY · Member since 2016 · 20 posts · 3 votes
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    Rachellette McKissack I would pay off your other than school debt bills off just enough to where you're comfortable putting a decent amount into your savings. I actually use the app Digit to help me out. For awhile I only had one card to pay off on. At the moment i now have a few more. I could pay them off right away but instead I'm decided not to because as long as I am paying off a larger amount than the asking amount... it'll be no big deal. Maybe you should try to transfer your amount to a different card getting 0% interest for a bit. When you do that it would also help you pay off what you can while you don't have crazy amounts of interest building up. In my opinion having a credit card or credit debt it's my the end of the world but it is also a very high interest rate generally. If you can go about it with the lowest interest rate possible, pay off over the recommended amount and put away money at the same time it'll work out. Referring back to what digit is and how I use it. Upon receiving digit you connect your checking account. Every time you spend money from that account it will take out a small percentage - or whatever you ask- from that account and put it aside so that you can withdraw that money and do whatever you'd like with it. My choices that I give myself 1. Save it Or 2. Put it towards a bill Generally I have been using it to put it towards the bill. Usually within a month I save about $100 or more into the Digit which I then end up being about $75 or more over what they were asking. Ive absolutely enjoyed this way of saving, and I hope that you find this helpful and that you discover the way that helps you to be excited to save more.
  • Member since 2016 · 13k+ posts · 12k+ votes
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    All bad debt must first be eliminated. In the process of building your credit back it is essential you eliminate all bad debt before you begin to save for investing. It is not responsible to try and carry good and bad debt at the same time. IF you are not able to eliminate all your bad debt first you are not disciplined enough to invest. Do it right if you want to succeed or don't do it at all.

    Additionally if you are living at home rent free when you do start to invest you should understand your parents have made your savings possible. As such you should be partnering 50/50 with your parents on your first property since they have contributed as much if not more than you to your savings. As long as you live at home all investments should be 50/50 with your parents. Do not live as a leach, recognise their contribution.

  • Maple Heights, OH · Member since 2017 · 21 posts · 4 votes
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    @tuesdaygoodband Digit sounds like something I would be interested in using in the future. I actually have debt owed to collections from not paying companies that loaned me money for shopping at online stores. I should have provided a better description! I like the automated savings Digit provides and that sounds like something I could utilize as I work at becoming more disciplined. I think I will just go ahead and attack my debt full-force so that I can begin on reducing my school loans as soon as possible and begin investment savings sooner.

  • Maple Heights, OH · Member since 2017 · 21 posts · 4 votes
    9y

    @GregS. You are right, I should focus on aggressively attacking my debt before I save. I admit I need to become more disciplined with spending habits before saving for investing and paying my debt off in full would better prepare me to do so. It would be healthier to only have to worry about school loans, savings and bills when I attain a higher paying job, better positioning me for success.

    I do recognize my parents' contribution and I am aware that my few accomplishments and overall security have been made possible because of them. I definitely plan to contribute a portion of my paychecks to them as I begin working again and if there is an opportunity to rent the property they own I will plan accordingly to include them financially. I do plan to move out over the next couple of years but if I begin heavily investing and buying while still living with my parents I plan to contribute more.

  • Rental Property Investor · Rockford, IL · Member since 2014 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    9y

    @Account Closed,

    Learn to attract and engage private lenders. You'll find all the funds you need for more deals than you can find. Then, your own finances will be less significant.

  • Maple Heights, OH · Member since 2017 · 21 posts · 4 votes
    9y
  • Buffalo, NY · Member since 2016 · 20 posts · 3 votes
    9y
    Rachellette McKissack As per credit cards my dad has always told me that you shouldn't be spending the money if you don't have that money to pay it back right away- regarding spending habits
  • Maple Heights, OH · Member since 2017 · 21 posts · 4 votes
    9y

    @Tuesday Goodband Of course, like I said they were poor decisions made when I was 22 that I unfortunately have to live with and correct. Your dad's a wise man lol

  • Buffalo, NY · Member since 2016 · 20 posts · 3 votes
    9y
    Yea I've done the same myself. Still working on the last little bit. I could pay it off but I've chosen not to because it's no interest anyway 😊
  • HVAC Tech · Fort Wayne, IN · Member since 2015 · 423 posts · 223 votes
    9y
    @Rachellette McKissack welcome to BP. Great site and endless knowledge. Make sure you check out the podcasts. I would strongly recommend looking into The Dave Ramsey program. Check out his podcast as well. He helps people get out of debt. After you get out of debt, you can then decide what route you want to go w Real Estate. Best of luck in your goals.
  • Investor · Orange County, CA · Member since 2015 · 2k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    9y

    Savings are nothing more than the difference between what you spend and what you earn, so you have two options (or a combination of the two) for increasing your savings: 1)reduce your expenses, 2)earn more money. There are many, many options for doing either and it is up to you to find the way that works best for you. It is essential that you figure out how to manage your income and expenses before you invest, not only because this is how you can save up the initial seed capital to invest but also because investing in real estate is nothing more than analyzing and managing income and expenses, only done over a long period of time (for buy and hold) and done on a larger scale with leverage. It is therefore crucial to master these skills on a smaller scale while the stakes are lower before attempting to evolve to the next level.

  • Maple Heights, OH · Member since 2017 · 21 posts · 4 votes
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    @Kevin Manz Thank you for the welcome! This site is amazing, looking forward to exploring around. Thanks for the recommendation, I will be sure to tune into some of his videos.

  • Maple Heights, OH · Member since 2017 · 21 posts · 4 votes
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    @David Faulkner Thank you. Yes, I see that REI is very much about your accuracy with money management and will-power along with the other legal and financial education-related aspects of it. The concept is easy to grasp but it is so much easier said than done when applying that to your life! But I am serious about my future investment endeavors and know that I will be able to step up to the plate to be prepared for opportunities when they arise. Small sacrifices over time or even large ones for that matter are definitely worth the pay off.

  • Investor · Charlotte, NC · Member since 2015 · 183 posts · 146 votes
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    @Account Closed You're asking for advice on how to save to invest in real estate, but there is more to it than that. So, I will take the liberty to address some things you mentioned about yourself. You're living with parents, and you're a parent. You say it may or may not be relevant having a husband/partner. It's relevant especially in your situation. If you don't already get it, I recommend you getting child support from your daughter's father. I recommend that you not borrow a DIME for a MBA, especially for an online program. You're 24 and don't mention any full time work experience. IMHO a MBA is more valuable when you have work experience to couple with it. Find a full time job and you may find an employer who offers tuition assistance. Get in the habit of paying something, anything, to your parents. It sounds like they may have a rental that you want to live in and pay only utilities...not a good idea. Pay your own way. If they choose to "gift" money to you, so be it, but if they have a rental property allow them to treat you as any other tenant. However, if you have money for rent, then you can pay a mortgage assuming you can qualify for it. Consider house hacking. Get a trusted friend to be a roommate...special emphasis on "trusted". I'm not trying to be a buzzkill, but you have some larger issues looming and if you don't get those things in order, you'll be throwing gasoline on the fire with a rental property. Get your house in order and then implement your plan(s) to invest in real estate. You not only need a down payment, you need quick access to cash to pay for vacancies, repairs, etc.  Even if you're able to go low or no money down, you still need cash reserves.  

    Wishing you all the best. Take care

  • Real Estate Investor · Memphis, TN · Member since 2016 · 940 posts · 695 votes
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    @Account Closed! Don't waste your time or go further into debt for an MBA - especially an online one - if you want to pursue REI! I completed a two year full-time MBA (and was paid to do it) and wish I had focused on our business instead. There is nothing they can teach you that you can't learn on your own or working for someone else.

    I'd highly suggest going to work for someone in industry; that would be a much better use of your time and you'll be getting paid.

    Best of luck!  You can do this!

  • Maple Heights, OH · Member since 2017 · 21 posts · 4 votes
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    @Tommy F. I appreciate your frankness as I shared some of my more personal details in an effort to receive the most valuable advice possible. I am aware of the mess I am in, I am only seeking to gather information so I can begin to study and understand what I will need to prepare for and to get an idea of what I will be taking on after I am in the right financial and mental position. I graduated last year but have been out of school years, having had a baby a week after graduation so I have set myself back in regards to starting a career relative to the degree I am pursuing as well as figuring out exactly what I would like to pursue a career in. I have full-time work experience, unfortunately none to compliment an MBA YET. I don't have the luxury of a lot of time to figure things out at 24 and I should be a lot further in life but I am working toward my goals and am confident that the opportunities meant for me will not miss me!

     I have a very good and consistent child support arrangement which I am aware is essential. I have not had steady work for the past two years to be in position to make contributions to my parents due to a lack of maturity and job satisfaction but that has changed. Of course when I am in the position I plan to make the appropriate contributions to my parents as I see the value and necessity for me to practice budgeting as well as to show gratitude to my parents. I do see the value in paying rent for the sake of practice and learning instead of just paying utilities. I will consider a similar arrangement if I decide to take that route but I agree with the "paying your own way" idea as I would prefer to branch out on my own and learn to hold my own.

    I am also aware of the tuition assistance that some employers provide and that would be ideal to limit my debt. If I find such an employer I definitely plan to see what I can do to take advantage of that opportunity. I am pursuing this degree to avoid having to work two jobs for decent pay rather than moving to an area out of state where I can best utilize my undergrad degree.

    Hopefully I've cleared up the misconception that I am planning to jump right into REI before taking care of my responsibilities. With so many Americans in debt I was just curious as to if anyone had any ideas of saving money while trying to pay their debts but I believe that the best answer is to solely focus on getting my finances in check before I allocate a dime to investment savings so that I can focus 100% on my investment goals when the time is right.

  • Maple Heights, OH · Member since 2017 · 21 posts · 4 votes
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    @Elizabeth Wilson Thank you for that. I have been contemplating if pursuing this advanced degree will have the best ROI in regards to my goals. Although I have read that online degrees don't always have the best ROI, I was hoping to utilize it along with experience to obtain a higher paying position that I could use to support my future REI. In my city most people work in healthcare, manufacturing or in corporate positions and I believe I could benefit from an online MBA here. Without the right degree(s) or the right trade experience you will most likely need to work two jobs for your desired income, especially if you desire to attain success in REI. I don't have relevant work experience to receive a high pay grade in any industry besides sales right now so I am deliberating whether I should continue in school or just strive to climb the ladder without an advanced degree to avoid more debt and to achieve financial freedom sooner. I don't see possessing an advanced degree as relevant to REI as I know there are many who have achieved success with little to no formal education but I guess fear has me clinging to the idea of needing degrees to make more money even when the money isn't guaranteed and the financial consequences are. I have to get out of my indecisiveness in decision making to be a successful investor so I guess I have some things to think about. Thanks for the input.

  • Maple Heights, OH · Member since 2017 · 21 posts · 4 votes
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    @Tommy F. I'm also aware that there are many expenses that come with rental properties including vacancies and repairs. Ideally I would begin REI after I am comfortable I have the income to support all possible expenses, including unexpected ones. I would definitely not want to have anything more than the remnants of my student loans to worry about once I began the process of shopping for properties. I plan to attack my loan debt aggressively enough to where I would be free of it or close to free by that point.

  • Investor · Charlotte, NC · Member since 2015 · 183 posts · 146 votes
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    @Account Closed You displayed a lot of courage by sharing your life and situations on this forum with total strangers. Sometimes the advice we get is not what we want, but what we need to hear. You're very mature in the way you're receiving all of the feedback and for that I commend you. I encourage you to continue reading motivational books, REI books, or anything that helps move you forward. You will get there! Take care.

  • Investor · Avilla, IN · Member since 2013 · 796 posts · 769 votes
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    Rachellette McKissack So you want to be financially free but you're pursuing your MBA and financing it? Fast forward five years...assuming you build a rental portfolio and are doing real estate full-time (whatever that means to you), what does the MBA do for you? I barely graduated high school, yet I own 64 rental units and between that and a painting business I started 3 years ago I will never have to have a job again. If you really want to be financially free then learn to do no and low money down deals with that $10k instead.
  • Maple Heights, OH · Member since 2017 · 21 posts · 4 votes
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    @Brandon HicksCongrats. I started this MBA program before I gained interest in REI but since I seriously want to become an investor I believe that it may be wise to put my efforts elsewhere and have more faith in my ability to generate the income I want without spending more money for that degree. Do you have any advice for buying with no/low money down? At risk of sounding like a complete idiot, how exactly does that work? You purchase the home/property paying the principal/down payment and then you either rent it and pay down the mortgage with the tenant's money/money you pay during vacancies and eventually sell it after/if it appreciates? How exactly does the process of buying with a down payment and then passing the property off to someone else for a profit work? If I don't have to rent and manage a property to make money I would like to learn more about how I could do this through REI without an REIT or similar entities...

  • Maple Heights, OH · Member since 2017 · 21 posts · 4 votes
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    @Tommy F. If I want to become successful in REI I know I'll have to be honest with myself and others to obtain the knowledge I need. Thank you for your advice and words of encouragement. You take care as well.

  • Investor · Saint Paul, MN · Member since 2015 · 663 posts · 512 votes
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    In my opinion it's important to have a solid foundation so I believe that you first need to elimanate your debt. Owning real estate can be wonderful but owning real estate can bankrupt you. My advice is to do some research on a man named David Ramsey who Can help educate you on how to eliminate your debt using the snowball method. Good luck on your future.
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