Seeking advice: Pay off Debt or Invest in Real Estate?

Seeking advice: Pay off Debt or Invest in Real Estate?

Jacksonville, FL · Member since 2015 · 10 posts · 2 votes

After a chat with a friend of mine about how I am not satisfied with where my Real Estate knowledge currently is, I did some thinking and came up with a crazy (I feel) idea. I have nearly 40k in government student loan debt, debt that I would love to get rid of. So, in thinking about what my interests in Real Estate are - I am primarily interested in house hacking - and my dreams of being debt free, I landed on purchasing some of the BP recommended Real Estate books, reading through them by the end of this year, and attempting to purchase a duplex somewhere around May/June of 2017. Then, I would use the money I am throwing away on living expenses every month to help me pay down my debt over the course of about 4-5 years. This is all assuming I am able to find a property that cash flows sufficiently to where my living expenses would be paid for by the tenant I rent the second unit of the duplex out to.

Sound insane? It kind of does to me, considering my current financial situation. It also sounded crazy to a lady I spoke with at a local REIA meeting I attended last night. She was the only one in the room who said she had done something similar to what I want to do, except she lived in a house and rented the extra rooms out. That's why I sought her out, to see if I could potentially make a quality connection with someone with actual experience. She seemed excited to talk to me, until I started giving details about my situation. You see, I currently wash dishes for a local restaurant chain during the day, bring in barely 1k per month in income (after taxes), a little over half of which goes toward living expenses, and use a bicycle and the local transit system to commute around town since I don't own a car. She advised me to try and focus on getting my life together, which she defined as securing better employment in science; the degree that earned me my student loan debt.

I don't know if I will be attending said REIA again next month because of the "speaker" they had that night. He sounded very guru-y, claimed that flipping houses is "easy", and used the entire presentation as a pitch for a "class" he is holding two Saturdays from now. But I digress.

I thought I would present this situation to the BP community and ask their advice and opinion on the whole concept of paying off debt versus using Real Estate as a vehicle to help you reach your goals. So, what do you guys think? Where do you fall on the spectrum of this concept? 

Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated. 

P.S. Apologies if I posted this in the incorrect sub-forum.

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Contractor · Round Rock, TX · Member since 2013 · 767 posts · 389 votes
10y

Something doesn't add up.   You must be leaving something out.   You're obviously a smart guy to have a degree in physics, but you only make $1000 a month washing dishes?  Why?   You can get a job earning more than that anywhere.   Like McDonalds or a grocery store.    Nobody is going to lend you money to buy a house making $1000 a month no matter what the credit score.   If somebody does, I'd really look at the terms as they will likely be taking advantage of you.  

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  • Real Estate Investor · Katy, TX · Member since 2016 · 109 posts · 46 votes
    10y

    Sounds to me like you need to start by wholesaling properties, is the easiest and cheapest way for you to start making a living and grow some cash reserves, find a local wholesaler that is willing to mentor you and learn as much as you can. After you master the wholesale game you will be able to move on to the next phase.

  • Investor · Bethel, AK · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 852 votes
    10y
    Alex S. So Alex the problem is you are trying to fix debt with more debt and no income to support any debt. House hacking is a great idea but likely nobody will loan you the money to buy the duplex. How's your credit? The lady was right you need a better job and then you need to live below your means a while. I know you can get a low down payment home owners loan on a duplex but you need to be sure it will cash flow with a larger loan (higher payment). The more you borrow the harder it's going to be to get the other half to pay your bills. On the other hand you want to have as little of your own money invested so you get a higher ROI. It's a thin line. It takes the right deal and the right I would suggest the book Rich dad poor dad. It will teach you the right mind set. Stick with the house hacking idea and change your thinking a little bit. Your on the right path. RR
  • Jacksonville, FL · Member since 2015 · 10 posts · 2 votes
    10y

    @Ricardo Rosales I am not interested in wholesaling, but thank you for your response!

    @Ralph R. I understand that the concept of using debt to pay off debt is a crazy one, but I am in that stage where I am hungry and eager to learn all that I can about house hacking! I have a 681 credit score, and have been told that I should have no problem securing a home owner's loan with my current score. I, too, have wanted to secure better employment, but have been experiencing difficulty in securing a position in what I went to school for. Basically, I keep getting to the interview stage, only to be told by the company that I have been passed on for someone with more experience. I mean, I get it, it just seems like experience in what I went to school for (Physics) is difficult to come by unless you already have your foot in the door. 

    I am currently living below my means, and have almost 9k in savings, but I am trying to think of clever ways to expand my means. I have not read Rich Dad Poor Dad, but I have read Rich Dad's Conspiracy of the Rich. That book flipped a switch and got me into the mindset that I think you are referring to. What he said about investing for cash flow and not capital gains really resonated for me. Thank you so much for your response!

  • Investor · Raleigh, NC · Member since 2016 · 82 posts · 34 votes
    10y

    Hi @Alex Schafler III. Good for you for having the ambition to invest. Start by getting your income up. Get out of the kitchen and start waiting tables. Bartend. Deliver pizzas. Whatever. You don't have to get a job in the physics field to get your income up in the short term. I'm sure there are some food service industry jobs In which you could earn $40k+ a year if you are putting in the hours while looking for a physics job. Once you've got more income rolling in and more savings then maybe it makes sense to get that first property. 

    - Just updated this when I Re-read last post and saw that you have 9k in savings. Good for you for saving that much on your current income. 

  • Investor · Bethel, AK · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 852 votes
    10y

    @Alex Schafler III Alex. I'm over 60. I have been to mechanics school,Welding school,cut meat for 35 years, ran heavy equipment, been an over the road truck driver and owned a butcher shop. I paint runways on an airport and provide Aircraft Rescue and Fire Fighting (ARFF) at an airport now. I didn't say go get a job in physics. I said you need a better job. I've been to more schools than you can shake a stick at. Follow the money. If you want to work in physics then set that goal and do what it takes to get there. That's the mind set you need set a goal and don't stop till you reach it. REI has lots of obstacles to over come. You have to make up your mind you are going to succeed and not going to give up. Step one is getting your finances in order so you can participate. A poor DTI and low income won't get you there. The house hack is a good way to start, but you gotta have the income and DTI to back it up. Good credit alone won't get you a loan. Have you gotten pre approved for a loan? RR

  • Jacksonville, FL · Member since 2015 · 10 posts · 2 votes
    10y

    @Mark Kelley

    @Ralph R.

    Thank you both for the great information and encouragement!

  • Real Estate Investor · Unionville, CT · Member since 2016 · 260 posts · 167 votes
    10y
    Alex Schafler III Keep working at it. It will happen. I have two jobs and a real estate license and I'm a single Mom. I have 2 rentals and work like a monster. There are 2 ways to think about the job/salary issue :1 is to accept it or 2 is to change it. Think about how you want to approach your situation. Only you can change it.
  • Contractor · Round Rock, TX · Member since 2013 · 767 posts · 389 votes
    10y

    Something doesn't add up.   You must be leaving something out.   You're obviously a smart guy to have a degree in physics, but you only make $1000 a month washing dishes?  Why?   You can get a job earning more than that anywhere.   Like McDonalds or a grocery store.    Nobody is going to lend you money to buy a house making $1000 a month no matter what the credit score.   If somebody does, I'd really look at the terms as they will likely be taking advantage of you.  

  • Rental Property Investor · Jacksonville, Florida Area · Member since 2016 · 106 posts · 48 votes
    10y

    Read the book "The Miracle Morning". A lot of times we get too caught up in what everyone tells us. We only see things from everyone else's point of view. It is totally possible for you to obtain your goal Alex. Continue to read and listen to the podcasts. Your moment will come, and when it does, you have to be in the right mindset to capitalize and win! 

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