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Updated about 9 years ago,

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Gary P.
  • Investor
  • Grand Prairie, TX
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CD's, Turn Key REI, Stock Options comparison

Gary P.
  • Investor
  • Grand Prairie, TX
Posted

A post in the landlording section inspired me to review and post numbers. One thing to think you are being honest with yourself, quite another to put it out there for critique by more seasoned investors.

Putting my numbers on the web is more than a little uncomfortable. Please indicate if this is/was helpful with a PM, +1 response, or insightful comment.

This is a pretty good time for this post since our options account and REI numbers are close in value and thus have comparable returns.

Before we get into the numbers I wanted to cover the options strategy at work so as to not give an impression that anyone can start selling options with any strategy and see similar performance.

The options strategy generates cash 3 ways: selling the "put", collecting dividends if we are "put" the option, and selling "calls" if we are "put" the option (notice there are no buying of options in this strategy). At another level, choosing the stocks: the stocks are chosen from a small pool of stocks that pay dividends, are not very volatile, and companies with strong financial statements. These stocks are ones that we like owning anyway because we like dividend paying stocks with strong financials at good to great prices. However, the strategy is meant to generate cash rather than purchase great stocks, so the focus is on selling the "put".

I know, just show you the numbers already....

turnkey numbers (scroll -> for narrow screens):

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price
dwnpymnt cashdwn mortgage rate
closingcost rent management pi piti capex
vacancy cashflow modified cashflow coc projected seller financed payment
for 12 months
90,850
17000 2925
68000 4.75
25413.33 1050 105   538.34 105 52.5 249.16 44.99 0.103636742 204.17
82700
16540 0 66160 4.75
22445.62 900 90 345.12 499.78 90 45 175.22 175.22 0.127124547  
79700
15940 0 63760 4.75
20505.91 875 87.5 332.6 476.82 87.5 43.75 179.43 179.43 0.135079046  

Some back story on the financing, The first property appraised for less than the agreed upon price. There is some fancy financing to cover the difference, seller financed over 12 months half the discrepancy and I brought cash to the table for the other half and had included in the closing docs/cost. So the actual cashflow for the first property for the first 12 months is reduced by the seller financing payment  - there will be anoticable cashflow increase in month 12 assuming all remains equal. 

Money was added to the options accounts throughout the year, similar to but not exactly consistent with down payments for the investment properties.

With interest, possibly only my own, I can check in and provide these numbers again next year.

The real comparison

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month options returns options annualized REI REI annualized CD annualized
January 382.71 0.176 na na 0.005
February 298.28 0.135 na na 0.005
March 800.6 0.359 na  na 0.005
April 1050.59 0.232 na  na 0.005
May 966 0.194 94.5 0.0044 0.005
June 618.78 0.089 97.5 0.0045 0.005
July 1055.55 0.147 44.99
0.0023 0.005
August 202.98 0.027 225.22 0.056 0.005
September 569.34 0.073 348.4 0.061 0.005

Where the annualized REI returns are calculated on the cashflow value at that month x12 and divided by the cumulative closing costs. The options account varied up and down throughout but the annualized number is calculated the same as the REI. Not shown in the closing cost is the home inspection done by a third party for each house. The May - July REI numbers are from partial month rent and variance in the seller financed payment.

I am interested in where this going, not just because it is my money, because the large drop in August was due to the market downturn which "put" a great deal of stock in my options account - this is/was an interesting time to be comparing REI vs options returns. Note: The September options return is about half "put" sales and half dividends.

Perhaps on my next update I will have an idea of the tax implications of each asset type included into the table.

Putting my numbers on the web is more than a little uncomfortable. Please indicate if this is/was helpful with a PM, +1 response, or insightful comment.

I like the REI trend far better than the CD returns currently offered. Let me now if you think I should have kept the money in CD's.

Cheers

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