WWYD? Help me with analysis paralysis

WWYD? Help me with analysis paralysis

Member since 2021 · 2 posts · 3 votes

Hi all:

I’m new at this and looking for some guidance. One of my goals for 2022 is to invest in real estate, after thinking about it and working towards it for several years. My husband and I are from East Tennessee, but we currently live in Northwest Montana. We’re looking at moving back to our hometown in 2022 for family reasons. This gives rise to the question of what we should do with our current house – it could be an opportunity to get started with an investment property by hanging on to our current property once we move out. I’m trying to get my thoughts in order so I can make plans accordingly, and any feedback would be appreciated. I know there’s probably not one “right” answer to this situation, but hearing others’ opinions will help, I think.

The Montana house is in a town that’s a gateway city to Glacier National Park (for summer activities) and located close to a ski resort (winter). It’s a great location in a subdivision about 5 minutes from the region’s airport. The real estate market in this area is, like many places, booming. I’m being conservative with my estimates and numbers below because I’d rather underestimate and be happily surprised than overestimate and be disappointed. We do not need the equity from the Montana house to buy another property in our hometown. Since we live in the house now and have lived here for several years, I have a good idea of the carrying costs.

Other random factors: (1) We absolutely love Montana and eventually we'd like to split our time between MT and TN when family/work allows (which might be a reason to keep the house as part of a long term plan) (2) Other markets we're looking at investing are STR– Great Smoky Mountains (about 30 mins. from our hometown); Myrtle Beach area (I have a connection through my job and regularly visit the area); LTR single/multi-family properties in our hometown.

Option 1: Sell. The house is worth $650k. We owe $330k at 4.25% interest. (Note: I’ve been evaluating a re-fi for a lower rate but want to decide on a plan for the property and whether I want to get cash out before I act on it). If we sell, we could use the money towards other investment properties. 

Option 2: STR. Based on research, it looks like we could net about $40k a year (I'm projecting a lower occupancy rate than AirDNA data to provide some wiggle room) after carrying costs. There would be some costs to prep the house for STR, but it's fully furnished already so shouldn't be massive.

Option 3: LTR. If we did a long-term rental, we’d be looking at an annual net of about $6,000 (or roughly $500 per month).

I'm leaning towards the STR rental option. I am always a worst-case scenario planner. I figure if the STR rental doesn't pan out for some reason, we can always fall back to LTR or sell. It wouldn't be hard to quickly do either with the current housing market. The cash flow is obviously more attractive on the STR option, but I understand that will come with its own hassles and dedication of time. We have reasonable cash reserves and assets as well that would allow us to carry the property without any income for substantial periods of time if needed.

What would you do? Are there other considerations I should be thinking about?

Thanks for much for any insight!

0Reply
55 views

5 Replies

Jump to latestLatest
  • Lender · Whitefish, MT · Member since 2021 · 16 posts · 6 votes
    4y

    If I were you, I would refinance first, to reduce your payment OR pull cash out and use that cash to either buy another property, build your cash reserves, or to help with a down payment on your new house (just make sure that the property will still cashflow post-refi). I live in this area (Kalispell) and am a mortgage broker, and I believe that property here will continue to be extremely valuable out into the future. I don't know that you'll get another chance to buy a reasonable property for a reasonable price any time soon. So... If you want to split time here eventually, then I think you should do your best to retain your little piece of Heaven here in the Flathead Valley. I personally believe that Whitefish/Kalispell area is the "new Aspen," which means property values will continue to rise.

    As far as STR vs. LTR... STR is more lucrative in our area, but it does require more management. If you have someone here you can trust to get it ready for new guests, or the money makes sense to hire someone, then I'd do that. If that's not an option or is too risky, then LTR is a great way to go and would likely be less hassle for you (assuming good renters).

    Either way, you win. Just retain that property! :-)

  • Austin ElmBusiness Member
    Rental Property Investor · Whitefish · Member since 2018 · 69 posts · 32 votes
    4y

    I agree with @Zach Falk, you should at the very least look at a rate and term refinance just to lower your payment. If you are looking at getting cash out to pursue your goal of investing in real estate, then do the cash out refi, lock in that low interest rate for the next 30 years, and have someone else make the payments for you in either STR or LTR scenario.

    I would personally look at doing the STR option using a property manager. The managers take a higher percentage, but could be worth it to not have to deal with the day to day operation of running the STR and managing the turnover on the property.

    Be sure your HOA allows STRs if you have one, and you will need to obtain a permit from the county to be fully official for the STR. The Flathead Valley market is great for STRs, and could prove to be more lucrative. I'd start there and if it becomes too much to handle then move off it to LTR. The market is strong for both.

    Looking at your post, your goal is to invest in real estate. Well you already are so congrats! Use this asset to acquire other properties and continue building a portfolio. A cash out refi may be the easiest solution to keep this property, have it pay for itself while increasing your cash position to invest in other properties and then repeat the process!

  • Myrtle Mike ThompsonBusiness Member
    Realtor · Myrtle Beach, SC · Member since 2016 · 352 posts · 204 votes
    4y

    Cash out refi, convert Montana home into STR, buy another STR in Myrtle Beach :)

  • Tim DelaneyPro Member
    Buffalo, NY · Member since 2018 · 790 posts · 530 votes
    4y

    @Ashley Shudan as long as you are confident you could manage the STR or have a management company you can hire if it turns out you can't then I would go with that option.

    However, before you move I would cash out refinance the house. If you pull out $125k (70%LTV) and kept the same rate you would be adding $6,600 annually to your expenses, but you'd have a nice amount to use for a down payment on another property.

    Cash out refi after you move out is going to be more difficult in your first couple years of owning an STR because many banks will want to see a track record of success. That's why you should refi before moving.

  • Developer · Missoula MT · Member since 2016 · 232 posts · 84 votes
    4y

    I'd personally pull out as much cash as you can while you still live there using a cash-out refi, then have it professionally managed as a STR. The numbers of visitors to Glacier is only going up and up, I'd personally want to hang onto this property for long-term appreciation.

Join the conversationCreate a free account to reply, vote on answers and follow this thread.