Portfolio Building ! Help!!!

Portfolio Building ! Help!!!

Rental Property Investor · Louisville, KY (Louisville) · Member since 2020 · 28 posts · 4 votes

I'll get straight to it. I am a new investor with only three flips under my belt. My current goal is to build a rental portfolio with cash flowing and appreciating assets while flipping for additional capital. I prefer to hold multifamily, but it's I'll hold anything that makes sense. I currently control a property that I am wrapping up the rehab on, but I'm unsure if I should keep this property and pull out 70% of the equity or unload it and search for something better. I know I must consider the capital gains if I decide to sell. I've also been pre-approved for up to 400 which I'm using to search for a multifamily, a 4 unit specifically. Below is the break down of my situation.

SF home... 4b 4ba in D neighborhood. The ARV is 165k, but I'm all in at 120k. That's including a 20k note that's left on the property. I bought this property seller finance for 30K with 6k out of pocket. I likely over-rehabbed it with funds from a previous flip, but it's a really nice home on a quiet street (C-/D+). I could probably get 1250/mo rent or sell and walk way with about 133k that I'd still have to pay taxes on.

The deal I am interested in is a 4plex that is 75% occupied. Asking price is 225k. The vacant unit is move-in ready, but I'm sure the entire property could be updated. The current rent for each 2bd 1ba is 725. I'm willing to occupy and go FHA as well.

Based on what I've shared about my goals and my situation, does anyone have any suggestions? Thank you to anyone willing to take time to look at this with me.

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Brandon RushPro Member
Real Estate Agent · Portland, CT · Member since 2019 · 761 posts · 849 votes
4y

Hey Shaun,

Sounds like you could potentially BRRRR this property. If my numbers are correct, you could refinance this property at 75% LTV and only be into it for a few grand. You are probably looking at a cash on cash return of over 100% as you should be getting all of your money back in the first year, and more.

Assuming you are ok with holding a property in a class C-\D+ , why not try to do both, hold this property and pick up the 4 plex via an FHA? If you have never owned a home before, there are better products out there than a FHA which will be much cheaper in the long term. Picking up the house hack 4 family will decrease your living expenses significantly and owning the SFR will bring in very good income. This will decrease your overall living expenses which will be a major boost for your financial life.

The only issue you may have with acquiring these two properties back to back is if you plan to go conventional on the loans. Purchasing one or the other will have an initial impact on your debt to income (DTI) ratio which you will need to consider.

Hope that was helpful and let me know if you have any questions. 

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  • Brandon RushPro Member
    Real Estate Agent · Portland, CT · Member since 2019 · 761 posts · 849 votes
    4y

    Hey Shaun,

    Sounds like you could potentially BRRRR this property. If my numbers are correct, you could refinance this property at 75% LTV and only be into it for a few grand. You are probably looking at a cash on cash return of over 100% as you should be getting all of your money back in the first year, and more.

    Assuming you are ok with holding a property in a class C-\D+ , why not try to do both, hold this property and pick up the 4 plex via an FHA? If you have never owned a home before, there are better products out there than a FHA which will be much cheaper in the long term. Picking up the house hack 4 family will decrease your living expenses significantly and owning the SFR will bring in very good income. This will decrease your overall living expenses which will be a major boost for your financial life.

    The only issue you may have with acquiring these two properties back to back is if you plan to go conventional on the loans. Purchasing one or the other will have an initial impact on your debt to income (DTI) ratio which you will need to consider.

    Hope that was helpful and let me know if you have any questions. 

  • Joshua JanusBusiness Member
    Realtor · Cleveland, OH · Member since 2021 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    4y

    I would definitely consider a BRRRR house hack with that 4 plex. Those numbers seem to work well from what you gave us, and that there is plenty of opportunity there. Is that 4plex in a similar (C-/D+) neighborhood? Rents seem high for a neighborhood classification like that but definitely differs by the area.

  • Real Estate Agent · Boca Raton, FL · Member since 2015 · 74 posts · 57 votes
    4y

    I'm not clear on how you'd walk away with $133k despite being in it for $120k with an ARV of $165k.

    If it is truly an over-rehabbed 4 bed class D, I'd look into selling it and just take the profit you can. Obviously any specific tenant might treat your property very well, but tenants in general could start to cause issues with your finishes and then you'll lose the premium you might command today. I'd guess it's more likely to be the case with a 4 bed because that's just a lot more people occupying than a 2 bed.

    I don't know your market or goals, so you can better make those trade-offs/determinations.

  • Lender · United States · Member since 2020 · 1k+ posts · 499 votes
    4y

    Why 70% LTV on the refinance side instead of 75%?

  • Rental Property Investor · Louisville, KY (Louisville) · Member since 2020 · 28 posts · 4 votes
    4y

    @Brandon Rush Thanks for your feedback! I actually am considering just that. Pull my money out of the sf and house hacking the 4 unit. I am however unsure as to which is the best loan product to use for the house hack. The FHA comes with PMI and higher interest if I'm not mistaken. What are your thoughts?

  • Rental Property Investor · Louisville, KY (Louisville) · Member since 2020 · 28 posts · 4 votes
    4y

    @Timothy Hero Yea you're right! 75% is standard.

  • Rental Property Investor · Louisville, KY (Louisville) · Member since 2020 · 28 posts · 4 votes
    4y

    @Hunter Vigneault I was considering all of the fees associated with the sale. I appreciate the feedback! I never thought about the number of occupants in relation to the wear and tear. I alway thought more about the age of the children, but more people is more people. You're spot on with that observation. Something to consider. Thanks! I'm fairly new so all of the nuances are crucial!

  • Rental Property Investor · Louisville, KY (Louisville) · Member since 2020 · 28 posts · 4 votes
    4y

    @Joshua Janus I agree! But yea the 4 unit is in a slightly better location. I'd say a solid C. I tend to arbitrarily assign these letter grades my self based on my knowledge of my local market. Is there a more legit way to ascertain these designations?

  • Rental Property Investor · Louisville, KY (Louisville) · Member since 2020 · 28 posts · 4 votes
    4y

    @Joshua Janus I based that rent on a neighboring section 8 voucher.

  • Joshua JanusBusiness Member
    Realtor · Cleveland, OH · Member since 2021 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    4y

    @Shaun Robinson the way I do it as pretty arbitrary as well. Take into account the overall safety of the area, median income, median home price and grade it relatively to the other zip codes around it. Seems to work for Columbus, Ohio where I'm at. 

  • Brandon RushPro Member
    Real Estate Agent · Portland, CT · Member since 2019 · 761 posts · 849 votes
    4y
    Originally posted by @Shaun Robinson:

    @Brandon Rush Thanks for your feedback! I actually am considering just that. Pull my money out of the sf and house hacking the 4 unit. I am however unsure as to which is the best loan product to use for the house hack. The FHA comes with PMI and higher interest if I'm not mistaken. What are your thoughts?

    The FHA does come with PMI but usually has some of the lowest interest rates since it will be owner occupied. I picked one up this year with an interest rate of 2.75% . I would speak with local lenders in your market and see what offerings they have. A local credit union may have a product specific to your market that may work for what you are trying to do.

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