Then you need to get actual comps to estimate ARV of property, Zillow and Redfin valuations are not accurate.

@Grant Swartzentruber  Hey Grant, we actually back out of that deal because it was too far away from us.  

then IMO it's perfectly reasonable for an agent to charge a per-showing fee.By contrast if you're actually all lined up and ready to rock, then this would be unusual. 

Have you looked at actual sold properties for your multi family starting price? 

Our only thing stopping us at this moment is that we are currently doing a complete gut and renovation on our personal residence, (that should be a flip but we actually want to keep) we are putting all of our time and money into it.

Loan Originator from Cardinal Financial just told me over the phone they can do it but will see what they actually come back with.

I took a 3 week vacation in the middle and when I got back that early stuff I had learned was hard to remember.I would just say make sure you actually watch the lectures and do all of the reading.

Drew,I actually live in Kansas City and work as a property manager as well as an active investor.

My actual lease is not maintained on the site, I just save that document elsewhere.

You'll get more by actually going on the market.