FWIW, I have found an number of factors more likely to be associated with poor judgement and decision making skills than current income including: behavior consistent with a cluster B personality disorder (especially very high entitlement), severe mental illness, a very young age and severe adverse childhood events combined with a lack of family or social support, and drug/alcohol addiction.

I can care less about 'Gurus' I consider myself a 'practitioner' I'm always learning and adapting skills and techniques.

If you have a video of them doing it and you have any speaking skill, you should be able to get them on your side.

Since you picked on my spelling (please do share your wisdom and correct me for all our enlightenment ) can I pick on your reading/comprehending skills and challenge you to show me where did I mention Iran?

(I would never say that by the way, I have SOME phone/people skills) Who knows, they might know someone else looking to sell, and I don't want to burn that bridge.My question is: Are there certain question you can ask right on the phone that will "qualify" these sellers?

In closing let me leave you with this... take a inventory of your skill sets.

They are slaves to the cycles of buying and selling and by placing their personal value on the marketability of their skills - have converted their self worth to a commodity.

They just don't have the knowledge, skills, tools, and their motivation is simply to save money.

Two of the three things lender is going to be looking for.This could be deal for someone... with the right experience and capital.With that being said, unless your management skills either in managing the property or your property manager are very good.... and your pockets pretty deep to carry the building while you upside manage it and while you hang on for the revitilization to move your way... this will be tough to accomplish.You need to ask yourself... what did the motivated out of state owner miss that I must find?

come on you guys lets hit your numbers up against mikes and lets see if we can come up with a avrage,,, i like the 50 % rule but i really like to refine the process since i bring a lot of construction skills to the table and am learning management i like to estimate property a little closer