The speaker promised in the 3-day workshop, I would learn:- everything about how to do real estate wholesale- make $5K in the first 3 months after the workshop- get 2-day one-on-one training on successfully closing wholesale dealsIn 3-day workshop:- trainers told wholesale, flipping, buy and hold, rental- trainers promised me free access to Property Farm (Doug Hopkins' Reals Estate Formula software) for 3 months.

No case worker involved.Sorry, I was not trying to imply anything with my caseworker question.

Sorry, Bill, I was not trying to imply you were clueless about this. :-) Your comment was a perfect match to one of the examples he used during our discussion the other night.I'm certainly not the best teacher of the theory.

Which one implies that you make money?

So, if the other numbers you listed are correct...Copper 2001-2007 UP 388% Steel 2001-2007 UP 238% Asphalt Cement 2001-2007 UP 143% Cement 2001-2007 UP 92% Gasoline 2001-2007 UP 96% US electricity prices 2001-2007 UP 118%...but the houshold income has only risen 15%, doesn't that imply that Americans really have less money to spend than ever?

That means that a starter vacation rental property in Newport Beach that rents for $2,500 will gross $55,000 annually while a non-vacation rental will gross $30,000.Please note that I said gross, and that does not imply cash flow.

I know dozens of trainers/weight lifters/distance runners, and none of them would ever think about eating like that.

I only intended to get my questions answered and did not imply that Harrison was committing fraud.That said, thanks for the updates Harrison and I hope others will continue to brainstorm with us here on this topic as it affects ALL of us investors!

For others, maybe their min. is 15% or whatever.I never implied that anyone should "tweak" a deal to make a bad deal look good.

I only meant to imply that the economy was good then, and I agree with the fact that we were not out of debt, but had a surplus.