Did you mean that finding a property that is not listed is a crap shoot?

So, considering a real education to get going in this business is a legitimate consideration.Problem is, so much of the education in this biz is overpriced crap.  

People will always need to live somewhere, so as long as you're providing a good property at a fair price, you'll always beat the 70% of people who provide crap properties or charge too much! 

It's really a crap shoot if you do not know your contractors quality of finish skills.

I run the numbers on lots of properties each day but it seems sellers want way too much for their properties (I'm looking at multi family) and, as you mentioned, once a property hits the MLS it's total crap (not worth it).

Their lender then stated that I had to pay for a 2nd appraisal for the buyers and that came in at $135k so obviously they had to go with $135k.Appraisers are a crap shoot!

Older units seem more like a crap shoot.

Forget that MAO crap, as you study RE you'll learn what forced appreciation is, if you are making improvements and the level of the subject will be brought up to a higher marketable price level, that is where you make money.

Originally posted by @Kevin Hoag:well... crap, lol.

I had several people "test" me to see if they could get away with crap.